1. Not finding help here? Sign up for a free 30min tutor trial with Chegg Tutors
    Dismiss Notice
Dismiss Notice
Join Physics Forums Today!
The friendliest, high quality science and math community on the planet! Everyone who loves science is here!

Passive Sign Convention

  1. Feb 7, 2009 #1

    Air

    User Avatar

    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    Calculate the power in the voltage source for this given circuit:
    CircuitDiagram.jpg


    2. Relevant equations
    [tex]P = \frac{V^2}{R}[/tex] Or [tex]P = - \frac{V^2}{R}[/tex]


    3. The attempt at a solution
    If we take the bottom left corner as the Initial node then and go around the circuit, then the voltage is a drop thus I thought we use: [tex]P = \frac{V^2}{R} = 10W[/tex] however this means power is positive hence the voltage source is also an absorber which wouldn't make sence because there would be no generator in the circuit.
     
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2009
  2. jcsd
  3. Feb 7, 2009 #2
    Think about what the voltage source's polarity implies about the direction of the current.

    Also, P = VI and Pabsorbed = Pgenerated
     
  4. Feb 7, 2009 #3

    The passive sign convention means that when current is entering the element through the negative end of the Voltage then the element is generating power and otherwise it is dissipating power.

    So in your problem the independent Voltage source is generating power (as shown in the figure I have uploaded) and the resister is dissipating that power.

    So for Voltage source

    [tex]P (generated) = \frac{V^2}{R}[/tex] =10W

    and for Resistor

    [tex]P(absorbed) = \frac{V^2}{R}[/tex] =10W

    I hope your problem is solved.
     

    Attached Files:

    Last edited: Feb 7, 2009
  5. Feb 7, 2009 #4

    Air

    User Avatar

    It isn't given so how did you decide current is going from negative to positive in the voltage source? Also, should [tex]P=-10W[/tex] as the voltage source is a generator?
     
  6. Feb 8, 2009 #5

    CEL

    User Avatar

    Power is voltage times current, no matter what your reference node is. If voltage and current have the same sign, power is positive, else it is negative. Positive power means dissipated power and th is always the case in a passive resistor. Negative power is power delivered to the rest of the circuit. This can only happen with an active element, such as a power source.
     
  7. Feb 8, 2009 #6
    I would like to add to what CEL has just posted that an Independent Voltage source always maintains the same voltage (In this case 10V) across its terminals with the same polarity. So this is how we get the signs of voltage across the Resistor (10 ohms).

    The thing that we do now is to use the knowledge that a resistor is a passive element (always) so current must enter it through the +ve terminal of the voltage.

    We also know that acording to KCL all the current through the resistor 'I' also passes through the Voltage Source (entering it from -ve side). Thus it is generating power.

    Ho

    NOTE: It is not necessary that an Independent source is always generating Power. In complicated circuits an independent source may even dissipate power. In that case you must analyze the circuit using different circuit analysis techniques. I will try to upload a circuit with a power dissipating Independent source here.
     
  8. Feb 8, 2009 #7
    This is a circuit in which the Independent Voltage source and the resister are dissipating power while the Independent current source is generating Power.
     

    Attached Files:

Know someone interested in this topic? Share this thread via Reddit, Google+, Twitter, or Facebook




Similar Discussions: Passive Sign Convention
  1. Passive sign convention. (Replies: 11)

Loading...