Pendulum force experienced at the top of the string?

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A pendulum demo demonstrated that an object experiences 3 g's at the bottom of its swing, derived from the equation F = (mv^2)/L. The force at the bottom combines gravitational force and centripetal force, leading to the conclusion that the total force is 3 mg. The discussion also explores the relationship between the distance D from the peg and the length L of the string, aiming to prove that D equals (3/5)L. Participants clarify the calculations and relationships involving acceleration and forces, with some confusion regarding the derivation of g's and the correct application of formulas. The conversation emphasizes understanding the physics behind pendulum motion and the forces involved.
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In a demo, a pendulum was used. (See my pic.) It showed that the object experiences 3 g's at the bottom of the swing, according to F = (mv^2)/L. (where L, length of string = r) A peg is located a distance D directly below the point of attachment of the cord.

O_____L________o
+----------------|
-+---------------|
--+--------------|D
---+-------------|----+
----+------------*peg--+
------+----------|----+
---------+----+-O--+
+ = path of circular motion
O = object


First off, for a pendulum that starts at rest at a 90 degree angle to the vertical, energy conservation requires the speed to be consistent, so (mv^2)/2 = mgL or v^2 = 2gL. Now the force experienced at the bottom of the string is F = mg + (mv^2)/L, and after plugging in v^2 = 2gL, you get 3 mg (3 g).

Now my teacher gave us mg + T = (mv^2)/L. Is this for the force experienced at the top of the string? I don't understand how this is correct or what to do with it.

We are supposed to derive the relationship between D and L, where D ends up as (3/5)L. I read somewhere that the max. acceleration an object can endure is a = 5g. How can this be proven and how can I tie in this fact so the g's cancel out and I am left with D = (3/5)L?

Please help me. Thanks.
 
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Soaring Crane

Physics is not my field, but I'll give this a shot.
If you draw a right-angle triangle, using the change in height (D) as one side, and the length L where it is horizontal to D as the Hypotenuse, then you are looking for x, which is the other side. So, L^2= D^2 + x^2
Now, you have 3g=v^2/2, so g=v^2 (3/2), so L= 3/2
You have D= 3/5L, so D= 9/10
L^2 = D^2 + x^2
1.5^2= .9^2 + x^2
2.25 - .81 = x^2
x^2 = 1.44
x=.12

I hope this is true, and I hope it helps!

P
 
Soaring Crane - my typo

My typo - sorry.
x is not .12
x is 1.2

Greetings,
P
 
Why do you solve for x?

Why is 3g = (v^2)/2? Wouldn't g then = (v^2)/6?
 
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