Periodic Functions Homework: Eigenvalues & Oscillations

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The discussion revolves around the conditions that eigenvalues impose on periodic functions, particularly in the context of harmonic oscillations. Participants are exploring the relationship between eigenvalues and periodicity, questioning whether irrational multiples of eigenvalues imply a lack of harmonic oscillations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to understand how to express eigenvalues in terms of parameters and whether certain conditions lead to rational ratios of eigenvalues. There is also inquiry into the implications of irrational eigenvalues on periodicity.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning assumptions about eigenvalues and periodicity. Some have provided specific examples and proposed values for parameters, while others are seeking clarification on how to derive eigenvalues and their implications.

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There are references to prior discussions and attempts to find equations for eigenvalues, indicating that participants are building on previous knowledge and exploring the implications of their findings.

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Homework Statement


What kind of conditions do eigenvalues impose to ensure periodicity?
Is it plausible to say that irrational multiples of eigenvalues imply no harmonic oscillations, if so why?

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No, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Eigenvalues per se have nothing to do with periodicity.
 
[tex] <br /> \left[\begin{array}{cccc}0 & -a & 0 & 0 \\ -a & 0 & -b & 0 \\ 0 & -b & 0 & -c \\ 0 & 0 & -c & 0\end{array}\right]<br /> [/tex]

For any fixed a, I want to find b and c in terms of a such that lambda_i / lambda_ j is a rational number for every i,j=1,2,3,4 .

See, before I was working with

[tex]\left[\begin{array}{cccc}0 & -a & 0 & 0 \\ -a & 0 & -a & 0 \\ 0 & -a & 0 & -a \\ 0 & 0 & -a & 0\end{array}\right]<br /> <br /> [/tex]

But that gave me irrational e-values if I put it into Maple and I don't want that.
 
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[tex] <br /> \left[\begin{array}{cccc}0 & -a & 0 & 0 \\ -a & 0 & -b & 0 \\ 0 & -b & 0 & -c \\ 0 & 0 & -c & 0\end{array}\right]<br /> [/tex]

For any fixed a, I want to find b and c in terms of a such that lambda_i / lambda_ j is a rational number for every i,j=1,2,3,4 .

See, before I was working with

[tex] <br /> <br /> \left[\begin{array}{cccc}0 & -a & 0 & 0 \\ -a & 0 & -a & 0 \\ 0 & -a & 0 & -a \\ 0 & 0 & -a & 0\end{array}\right]<br /> <br /> [/tex]

But that gave me irrational e-values if I put it into Maple and I don't want that.

Now that makes more sense. It also looks like a hard question. How about a=1, b=0, c=1? Is that good enough? What's this for anyway?
 
You can certainly get an expression for the eigenvalues in terms of a,b and c. You get a quartic equation to solve, but it only has l^4, l^2 and a constant term. So you can solve it with the quadratic equation. But how you enforce the condition that the ratio of roots is rational, I have no idea.
 

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