What is the phase margin and gain margin for this circuit?

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The discussion centers around understanding phase margin and gain margin in a circuit. Participants express confusion about how to visualize these concepts on a plot, particularly regarding the relationship between phase shift and gain. It is noted that at a 180-degree phase shift, the gain can still be above 0 dB, complicating the analysis. There is a suggestion that if the gain margin is negative, the phase margin could also be negative. Ultimately, the conclusion reached is that the answer could be none of the provided options, indicating that negative values are possible.
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I am having trouble visualizing this. So I know that the phase margin is how much phase lag it would take to make -180 phase at the 0 dB gain frequency. I am just having trouble placing this on the plot. It isn't a homework question I am preparing for an exam. I would think the answer is 45 degrees ?
 

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Cocoleia said:

Homework Statement


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The Attempt at a Solution


I am having trouble visualizing this. So I know that the phase margin is how much phase lag it would take to make -180 phase at the 0 dB gain frequency. I am just having trouble placing this on the plot. It isn't a homework question I am preparing for an exam. I would think the answer is 45 degrees ?
Notice that at 180 deg phase shift the gain is still > 0dB!
 
rude man said:
Notice that at 180 deg phase shift the gain is still > 0dB!
I'm not sure what I am supposed to looking at to figure this out then
 
If gain margin is negative, so must phase margin be, making what your answer?
 
rude man said:
If gain margin is negative, so must phase margin be, making what your answer?
So then my answer would be none of the above so it can be negative ?
 
Cocoleia said:
So then my answer would be none of the above so it can be negative ?

That's my vote.
 
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