Pipe Flow Calculation: GPM Through Pipe Level Section

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The discussion revolves around calculating the gallons per minute (gpm) flow through a level section of pipe, specifically using a method involving measuring the horizontal distance of the exit stream when it has dropped a specified vertical distance. Participants explore the underlying equations and principles related to fluid dynamics and trajectory physics, as well as the potential for errors in calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant recalls a slide chart used to determine gpm based on the length of the exit stream and asks for the equation behind this method.
  • Another participant outlines the flow volume equation Q = v x A and provides a method to calculate flow velocity based on the time it takes for the stream to drop 4 inches.
  • A third participant introduces a physics-based trajectory equation to derive the initial velocity and volumetric flow rate, noting discrepancies in gravitational acceleration values used in calculations.
  • One participant acknowledges a calculation error due to a conversion mistake and corrects their results to align with another participant's findings.
  • Participants express appreciation for the explanations provided by others in the thread.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on a single method or equation, as participants present different approaches and calculations. Discrepancies in gravitational acceleration values and resulting flow rates indicate ongoing debate and refinement of ideas.

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Participants reference different units and conversion factors, highlighting potential limitations in their calculations. The discussion includes various assumptions about fluid dynamics and the specific conditions of the pipe flow.

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Individuals interested in fluid dynamics, engineering applications related to pipe flow, and those seeking to understand practical methods for calculating flow rates may find this discussion beneficial.

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I used to have a slide chart that gave gpm through a level section of pipe (1/2" - 6") by measuring how long the exit stream was when it had dropped 4". Imagine a framing square with the blade on the pipe and the tongue hanging down in the stream. Slide the square out until the stream is hitting the 4" mark on the tongue - read length from end of pipe on the blade of the square. The slide chart would give the gpm based on various pipe sizes. Has anyone seen one of these charts? Mine was from 30 years ago. Maybe by a water pump company? Can anyone give the equation behind this method?

Thanks
 
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I have not seen this type of instrument but it is a unique and simple solution based upon the following:

The flow volume through a pipe Q = v (pipe flow velocity) x A ( pipe I.D. area), and by having selected the pipe size on the slide chart therefore inside diameter of the pipe it is then only necessary to determine the fluid flow velocity to determine the flow capacity.

Note: For convenience, this analysis will be done in the units of inches and seconds that can then easily be converted to gpm (gallons per min).

The time for the flow stream to drop the specified 4" is t = sqrt(2 x h / g), where g (the acceleration due to gravity) = 2.68 inches/second^2, and h = 4 inches:
therefore, t = sqrt(2 x 4 / 2.68) = 1.728 sec;

v (velocity of the stream through the pipe) = s (the horizontal distance from the end of the pipe) / t .

Now, all that is required is the measured horizontal stream distance s to solve the equation: Q (inches^3/sec) = s (in.) / 1.728 (sec) x A (in^2);

and, after units and in^3/gal conversion: Q (gpm) =.15 x s (in.) x A (in^2)

However, the A (area) used in the chart for a given pipe size may also contain an adjustment for flow friction; and, only a comparison of the formula result to the chart result will determine if that is true.
 
The principle is based on the physics of trajectories, for which the basic equation is:
y = -\frac{g\sec^2\theta}{2v_0^2}+x\tan\theta
Where:
##y## is the vertical location (m);
##x## is the horizontal location (m);
##\theta## is the angle of elevation;
##v_0## is the initial velocity (m/s);
##g## is the acceleration due to gravity (9.81 m/s²).

In your case, ##\theta## = 0 (so ##\sec^2##0 = 1 and ##\tan##0 = 0), ##y## = -4 in (=-0.1016 m; note the negative sign).

Isolating ##v_0##:
v_0 = \sqrt{\frac{-g}{2y}}x = \sqrt{\frac{-9.81}{2 (-0.1016)}}x
v_0 = 6.95x
To get the volumetric pipe flow (m³/s), you multiply the initial flow velocity by the pipe area (##A =\frac{\pi}{4}d^2##; m²):
VF = v_0A = 6.95x\frac{\pi}{4}d^2 = 5.457d^2x
Using gpm for ##VF## and inches for ##d## and ##x##, you get:
VF = 1.4174d^2x
So, for example, if it takes 6" for the flow to drop 4", the volumetric flow for a 1" pipe is:
VF = 1.4174(1)^2(6) = 8.5 gpm

I'm slow to type, so @JBA already answered, but my answer doesn't match his. I've been looking for the error and the problem is the 2.68 in his first equation. It should be 386.1, which is the correct acceleration due to gravity in in/s².
 
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jack action, thank you. As soon as I saw your comment I realized I had divided when I should have multiplied. All of that work totally wasted by a stupid conversion error.

I have now rerun the calculation using the correct value for g = 386.16 in/sec^2 (based upon 32.18 ft/sec^2) and my answer is now equal to yours at VF = 1.4173 x (1)^2 x (6) = 8.504 gpm.
 
Thanks to you both.. Excellent description.
 

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