Please explain volume of parallelepiped

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The discussion revolves around understanding the volume of a parallelepiped defined by three vectors, a, b, and c. Participants are exploring the relationship between the geometric interpretation of the volume and its algebraic representation using the dot and cross products.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to connect the geometric interpretation of the volume formula with its algebraic expression. Questions arise regarding the transition from the expression |b cross c||a||cos(theta)| to |a dot (b cross c)|, particularly focusing on the role of the dot product and the angles involved.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confusion about the equivalence of the two volume expressions and seek clarification on the underlying principles. Guidance has been offered regarding the properties of the dot product, but there remains a lack of consensus on the clarity of the explanation provided.

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Homework Statement



Ok so my book says that the volume of a parallelepiped is:

V= |b cross c||a||cos(theta)| = |a dot (b cross c)|, where a, b, and c are vectors

I get the "|b cross c||a||cos(theta)|" part because I can see the geometry but I don't get how they get from that to |a dot (b cross c)|.





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The Attempt at a Solution



I see how |a||cos(theta)| looks kinda familiar so I tried to figure out using that.

So I know a dot b = |a||b|cos(theta), so

|a|cos(theta) = (a dot b)/|b| but then if I plug that quantity in it doesn't seem to work.

So can anyone help me see why |b cross c||a||cos(theta)| = |a dot (b cross c)| ?



 
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maff is tuff said:

Homework Statement



Ok so my book says that the volume of a parallelepiped is:

V= |b cross c||a||cos(theta)| = |a dot (b cross c)|, where a, b, and c are vectors

I get the "|b cross c||a||cos(theta)|" part because I can see the geometry but I don't get how they get from that to |a dot (b cross c)|.

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



I see how |a||cos(theta)| looks kinda familiar so I tried to figure out using that.

So I know a dot b = |a||b|cos(theta), so

|a|cos(theta) = (a dot b)/|b| but then if I plug that quantity in it doesn't seem to work.

So can anyone help me see why |b cross c||a||cos(theta)| = |a dot (b cross c)| ?

Think of a, b, and c with their tails together. b x c is a vector perpendicular to the plane of b and c and |b x c| is numerically equal to the area of the parallelogram formed by b and c. To get the volume of the parallelepiped formed with this parallelogram as a base and a as the third side you need to multiply the area of the base by the height of the parallelepiped. But the height of the parallelepiped is the component of a perpendicular to the plane of b and c. If theta is the angle between b x c and a, then this height is h = |a|cos(theta). So the volume is V = h|bxc| = |a|cos(theta)|bxc| = a dot (bxc). Does that help?
 
I already understood how the volume is |bxc||a||cos(theta)| but I don't understand how that equals |a dot(bxc)|. Can you explain how |bxc||a||cos(theta)|= |a dot(bxc)|? Thanks.
 
maff is tuff said:
I already understood how the volume is |bxc||a||cos(theta)| but I don't understand how that equals |a dot(bxc)|. Can you explain how |bxc||a||cos(theta)|= |a dot(bxc)|? Thanks.

Oh, that's all you are asking. That is just the basic property of dot product:

\vec A \cdot \vec B = |\vec A||\vec B|\cos\theta

applied to a and bxc. Here θ is the angle between a and bxc.
 
Ok so I'm still not seeing it.

I want to show that |bxc||a||cos(theta)| = |a dot (bxc)|

ok my first step: I know that a dot b = |a||b|cos(theta) so I can solve for |a|cos(theta)

So now I have |bxc|(a dot b)/||b| = |a dot (bxc)|

So I plug it in and get:

|bxc|[(a dot b)/|b|] and now I am stuck.
 
maff is tuff said:
Can you explain how |bxc||a||cos(theta)|= |a dot(bxc)|? Thanks.

LCKurtz said:
Oh, that's all you are asking. That is just the basic property of dot product:

\vec A \cdot \vec B = |\vec A||\vec B|\cos\theta

applied to a and bxc. Here θ is the angle between a and bxc.

maff is tuff said:
Ok so I'm still not seeing it.

I want to show that |bxc||a||cos(theta)| = |a dot (bxc)|

Just do what I suggested above. Replace B by BxC in the identity.
 

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