Potential Energy and WET (Incline with friction)

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a block moving up an inclined plane with friction. The participants are tasked with determining the friction force and the coefficient of kinetic friction based on the block's initial speed and distance traveled before coming to rest.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are analyzing the work-energy principle and the relationship between kinetic energy, potential energy, and work done by friction. There are attempts to calculate the friction force using energy equations, but discrepancies in signs and values are noted. Some participants question the correctness of their calculations and the assumptions made regarding the signs of the forces involved.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively questioning their calculations and the underlying principles. There is recognition of the need to clarify the relationship between kinetic energy, potential energy, and work done by friction. Multiple interpretations of the energy conservation equation are being explored, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or values.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework problem, which may limit the information available for resolving discrepancies. The problem setup includes specific values for mass, initial speed, distance, and incline angle, which are critical for the calculations being discussed.

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A 6.00 kg block is set into motion up an inclined plane with an initial speed of v0 = 8.50 m/s (Fig. P7.23). The block comes to rest after traveling 3.00 m along the plane, which is inclined at an angle of 30.0° to the horizontal.

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(a) Determine the friction force exerted on the block (assumed to be constant).
(b) What is the coefficient of kinetic friction?

Wfk + Wg = -.5mvi2
(fk)(x) + (m)(g)(h) = (-.5)(m)(vi2)
(fk)(3) + (6)(9.8)(3sin30) = (-.5)(6)(8.5^2)
fk = -101.65

Final answer is incorrect. Cannot move on to (b) without understanding (a). Any ideas?
 

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closer said:
A 6.00 kg block is set into motion up an inclined plane with an initial speed of v0 = 8.50 m/s (Fig. P7.23). The block comes to rest after traveling 3.00 m along the plane, which is inclined at an angle of 30.0° to the horizontal.

(a) Determine the friction force exerted on the block (assumed to be constant).
(b) What is the coefficient of kinetic friction?

Wfk + Wg = -.5mvi2
(fk)(x) + (m)(g)(h) = (-.5)(m)(vi2)
(fk)(3) + (6)(9.8)(3sin30) = (-.5)(6)(8.5^2)
fk = -101.65

Final answer is incorrect. Cannot move on to (b) without understanding (a). Any ideas?


Looks to me like the wrong sign.

KE = PE + Wf
 
Tried positive 101.65; the answer is still incorrect.
 
closer said:
Tried positive 101.65; the answer is still incorrect.

When you change the sign there you don't get the same answer. That was my point.
 
The change in KE is negative though.
 
closer said:
The change in KE is negative though.

It's the conservation of Energy.

Where does the KE go?

It goes into PE and to work done by friction.

KE = PE + Wf
 

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