Pressure due to boiling a liquid

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The discussion revolves around determining the pressure produced by boiling a liquid, specifically focusing on liquid nitrogen and its behavior at various temperatures. Participants explore the relationship between temperature and pressure in the context of boiling and phase transitions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks an equation to determine the pressure produced by boiling a liquid, specifically liquid nitrogen at 0K.
  • Another participant clarifies that boiling refers to heating a liquid until the partial pressure of the gas exceeds ambient pressure, suggesting the use of saturated vapor pressure tables for calculations.
  • There is a correction regarding the temperature, with participants noting that nitrogen would not be heated to zero Kelvin, as it is an extremely low temperature.
  • A participant suggests using the phase diagram of nitrogen to find the pressure at 273K, estimating it to be around 500 psi.
  • There are requests for links to phase diagrams, indicating difficulty in finding reliable resources online.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the concept of using phase diagrams and saturated vapor pressure to determine boiling pressures, but there is confusion regarding the temperature reference (0K vs. 0C) and the implications of heating nitrogen.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the availability and accuracy of phase diagrams for nitrogen, as well as the specific pressures at different temperatures, which depend on the definitions and assumptions made about the state of the substance.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in thermodynamics, phase transitions, and the properties of nitrogen in various states, particularly in experimental or applied contexts.

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I am looking for an equation to determine the pressure produced by boiling a liquid.
(On the net I can only find information on the effect that pressure has on boiling point)

for example, the pressure produced by heating liquid nitrogen to 0K.

Any help would be great!

Thank you
 
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"Boiling" means to heat a liquid to where the partial pressure of the gas is above ambient pressure. So if you confine a liquid and heat it, the pressure produced corresponds to the partial pressure or saturated vapor pressure at that temperature. You find this from a table, ie a steam table or similar. There are some on the web and any good thermo book will have a bunch of tables for different fluids in it.

Tables for Nitrogen might not go up that high - the pressures would be huge as that is well above the critical point for nitrogen (the point at which you can no longer distinguish liquid from gas - you can no longer define "boiling").
 
You wouldn't heat Nitrogen to zero Kelvin. You would cool it.

Zero Kelvin is really cold.
 
russ_watters said:
Lol, sorry - I saw 0K and thought 0C.

You could talk to Redbelly about my blunder converting between celsius and Kelvin. It went on for several posts :redface:
 
Phrak said:
You wouldn't heat Nitrogen to zero Kelvin. You would cool it.

Zero Kelvin is really cold.

I meant heat Liquid Nitrogen to 0C (273K)
 
Look up the phase diagram of N2. Pick the coordinate were the temperature is 273K. Where this line crosses the liquid-gas transition is the pressure you are interested in.

It looks like about 500 psi to me.
 
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Do you have a link to a phase diagram? I couldn't find one.
 
Phrak said:
Look up the phase diagram of N2. Pick the coordinate were the temperature is 273K. Where this line crosses the liquid-gas transition is the pressure you are interested in.

It looks like about 500 psi to me.


Hero!

Many thanks!
 
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russ_watters said:
Do you have a link to a phase diagram? I couldn't find one.

I googled images for N2 phase diagram. I only found a crude one.
 

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