PRESSURE in Inflatable Material Objects

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The discussion revolves around calculating pressure in inflatable material objects, particularly focusing on the pressure exerted on the walls of an airtight enclosed object, such as a football or an exhaust-powered car jack. Participants explore concepts related to surface area, wall thickness, and the implications of gas laws in determining internal pressure.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether pressure can be calculated simply by dividing the applied force by the surface area, and whether the thickness of the shell affects this calculation.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of hoop stress, stating that it is calculated as internal pressure multiplied by cylinder radius divided by wall thickness, noting that this formula applies to thin-walled cylinders.
  • A different participant mentions that gas laws must be considered when dealing with inflatable objects, implying that internal pressure is influenced by these laws.
  • One participant expresses confusion about why a larger diameter results in more stress, despite initially thinking that stress would be distributed over a larger area.
  • Another participant uses the analogy of a car tire to explain pressure distribution but remains uncertain about how to evenly distribute pressure among varying wall thicknesses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the calculations or implications of pressure in inflatable objects. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the effects of wall thickness and the application of gas laws.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express limitations in their understanding of thermodynamics and related concepts, which may affect their ability to fully grasp the implications of the discussed formulas and principles.

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If you wanted to calculate the pressure on the shell of an airtight enclosed concentric or asymmetrical/symetrical object, do you simply need the surface area of the object and then divide it into the applied force?

1. So if you apply 50Newtons onto a grounded football for example,it would be... (Force)/(4.pie.radius)>>>>surface area of the football...? And what if the football had an inch thick shell, would I need the surface area on the inner or outer of the shell? Correct me, but I assume its all about surface area and that shape wouldn't make a difference...

...but does thickness make a difference...?
2. I am trying to figure out the pressure on the walls of a exhaust powered car jack, it's basically an inflatable cylinder(although when inflated it asymmetrical as it bulges). The one I am trying to design will have plates on top and bottom, so how would the variation in surface thicknesses affect the spread of pressure?

May help:


Pressure = Force/Area
surface area of cylinder = 2.pie.r(r + h)


Thanks,
James

Oh and have a look on google images for exhaust powered car jack if it will help.
 
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You should look at the "hoop stress" as follows:

hoop stress = Internal Pressure X Cylinder Radius / wall thickness

The hoop stress is the pressure (technically stress) inside the walls of the cylinder.

For this formula to be accurate, it must be "thin walled."

wall thickness / diameter < 0.1.
 
If it is inflatable, then the gas laws will be part of determining the internal pressure.
 
Thanks edgepflow about the hoop stress. One of my teachers gave me a handout on it without me mentioning it i have started to use it even though i can't figure out why a bigger diameter = more stress, i thought the bigger the diameter the more the stress would be divided into it?? I am missing something, i know that at least.

SteamKing I bet if I was better in thermodynamics this would probably be quite an easy question, but I have too much to learn about that so i wanted to keep it as close to
P = F/A as possible I am afraid :( .
 
Oh and I used the analogy of a car tyre to help me. (Tyre Pressure = weight of car/ Tyre to ground contact point). still not sure how to divide that pressure i have found which is = 1.38 bar or 138.74Kpa or 20.12 PSI evenly amonst differing thickness of walls.
 

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