Problem using the ideal gas law

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In the discussion about using the ideal gas law for an internal combustion engine, the initial conditions include air at 20°C and 1 atm, which is compressed to a volume of 1/4 its original size under a pressure of 20 atm. The user initially struggled with calculations due to not using absolute temperature, which is crucial for accurate results. After clarifying the importance of using absolute values for both temperature and pressure, the user successfully recalculated and confirmed their results. The final calculations led to a correct understanding of how relative pressure works in this context. The discussion emphasizes the significance of using consistent units in gas law calculations.
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Homework Statement


In an internal combustion engine, air at atmospheric pressure and a temperature of about 20°C is compressed in the cylinder by a piston to 1/4 of its original volume (compression ratio = 4.0). Estimate the temperature of the compressed air, assuming the pressure reaches 20 atm.

Homework Equations


PV=nRT
restated as:(P1V1)/T1=(P2V2)/T2

The Attempt at a Solution


we are told that the initial situation: has a temperature of 20C or 293K, pressure of 1 atm. Set volume equal to 4m3
final situation: temperature=unknown, pressure=20 atm and volume=1m3

I tried putting these numbers into the formula and got a few different incorrect answers depending on which units I used, such as: 100C, 52.5C, 58.6C

Please help!
Thank you
 
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Have you remembered to use absolute (Kelvin) temperature?

Show details of your calculation, results should not depend on the units used as long as you use same units for initial and final state, as they cancel out then.

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Oh I did forget to use absolute temperature! Thank you very much! I will try it again taking that into account...
So do I also have to use absolute pressure as well or is that not necessary?
If not then I would get P2=P1(T2/T1)
P2=101325N/m2(433K/293K)-->P2=149739.68N/m2
 
What would be initial pressure if you will use relative pressures instead of absolute ones?
 
Oh...would it be zero?
 
Does it make sense?

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I got 5662.6N but I'm not sure if it's correct.
 
yes, because the relative pressure is the pressure minus the atmospheric pressure and since it is at atmospheric pressure then it would be zero.
 
YESSSSSS I got it right! Thanks SO much!
 
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