Projectile Motion of a Skier Problem

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The problem involves a skier leaving a ramp with a specified horizontal velocity and landing a certain distance away. The goal is to determine the height of the ramp from the ground, which relates to the principles of projectile motion.

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  • Participants discuss separating the problem into horizontal and vertical components, questioning how to find time and height without direct relationships to velocity or angles. Some participants suggest focusing on kinematic equations for vertical motion.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the problem with participants offering guidance on how to approach the calculations. Some participants express confusion while others attempt to clarify the separation of components in projectile motion.

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This is the problem given:
A skier leaves the horizontal end of a ramp with a velocity of 25.0 m/s east and lands 70.0 meters from the base of the ramp. How high is the end of the ramp from the ground?Relevant Equations:
Vy=Vsin
Vx=Vcos
T=(2Vsin/g)
H=(Vsin)^2/2g
R=2V/g(sin)(cos)
X=Vi(T) + (1/2)a(t)^2
My attempt

I drew a picture with the ramp horizontally, a vertical line coming off of the end of it for the height, and a parabolic curve by the vertical one to represent the path the skier took.

then I wrote what I know:

a= -9.81 m/s
d=70.0 m
t= ?
V initial =25.0 m/s
V final = ?

And now I really have no idea how to find the height of the jump.
Finding the time wouldn't help because time shouldn't affect the height of the jump. And finding the velocity wouldn't help either because velocity shouldn't affect the height of the jump either. And it doesn't seem like I can use sin/cos/tan equations because I don't have a right triangle.

so any help is appreciated thanks! I'm at the end of my rope!
 
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It's good that your relevant equations are separated into x and y components. But in your attempts, I don't see the same discipline. Maybe that's why you're stuck/confused.

Consider these questions:

x plane:
Given velocity is 25, distance 70. Is there any acceleration? If yes/no, can you find the total time taken? Is this time taken the same as the time taken for the vertical motion as well?

y plane:
What's the initial vy? Is there an equation that can solve for displacement without using final vy?

I got 38.5m, if you need to check solution.
 
thanks for trying to help! I have no idea what you are saying, but thanks for trying! :redface:
 
I would really love to give you the full solution but I'm unable to due to forum rules. Perhaps I can try to be more clear:

For all projectile motions, they're separated into x and y components for calculations. x and y being horizontal and vertical respectively. We use equations of kinematics to calculate each component separately.

So for example, if you want to calculate the vertical component, you know that:
acceleration = g = 9.81
initial velocity for free fall = 0

Thus, if you have time taken, you can use the equation:
s = ut + 0.5at2, s being displacement, u being initial velocity (0) and a being your freefall acceleration.

When you calculate for any vertical variable, you completely disregard all horizontal components. So you don't care about the horizontal distance, speed or acceleration. Just the vertical values alone.

When you're done, do the same for the horizontal component.

Hope that helps.
 
Hey! that actually kinda makes sense! Thanks!
 

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