Proof that disk of charge = point charge when very far?

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The discussion revolves around proving that the electric field above the center of a uniformly charged disk behaves like that of a point charge when observed from a significant distance. The problem involves understanding the relationship between the disk's radius, surface charge density, and the resulting electric field as the distance increases.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to manipulate the electric field equation to show the desired relationship, with one participant expressing difficulty in achieving the correct form. There are mentions of using binomial expansion and clarifications on the conditions for approximations regarding the relative sizes of R and x.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on mathematical techniques such as binomial expansion. There is an acknowledgment of confusion regarding the conditions for the approximations, and some participants are actively working through the problem while others offer clarifications.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, particularly regarding the assumptions about the relative sizes of the disk radius and the distance from the disk. There is a focus on ensuring the correct application of mathematical approximations without resolving the problem completely.

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Homework Statement


Take the expression 21.11 (pictured below, specifically the bottom one) for the electric field above the center of a uniformly charged disk with radius R and surface charge density σ, and show that when one is very far from the disk, the field decreases with the same square of the distance as it would for a point charge, E ~ q/4πεx2, where q is the total charge on the disk.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I solved one like this pretty easily where you prove that a long wire acts as an infinite wire, but I've been looking at this one for about an hour and I'm stumped. I know I need to get x2 on the bottom of the equation without being inside a square root, but I don't know how. The only approximation I can think of is that when R is much bigger than x, √(x2 + R2 + 1) goes to 1, but then I don't have an x anymore.
 
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I think you mean x much larger than R.
Do you know the binomial expansion of (1+t)a for small t?

Edit: must learn to post more quickly.
 
Yes, I meant if x is much larger than R then √(R2/x2 + 1) goes to 0 (hopefully I said it right that time). I haven't done binomial expansions, for a while so I'll review those, thanks.
 
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Ok I'm still stuck. I used σ = q/πR2 and did the binomial expansion and got this:
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EDIT: that should be R2/2x2
 
Note that ##\frac{1}{\sqrt{1+t^2}} = (1+t^2)^{-1/2}##
 
I see how to do it know, it's pretty simple, thanks.
 

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