Propagating uncertainty when calculating acceleration due to gravity?

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The discussion revolves around the propagation of uncertainty in calculating gravitational acceleration (g) from measured acceleration on an inclined air-track. The original poster seeks clarification on how to account for uncertainties in both the measured acceleration and the angle of inclination.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand how to propagate uncertainty for gravitational acceleration, questioning the treatment of the angle's uncertainty. Some participants suggest using derivatives to relate uncertainties, while others explore the implications of measuring methods on angle uncertainty.

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Participants are actively discussing the methods of uncertainty propagation, with some providing insights into trigonometric relationships and error propagation techniques. There is an exploration of different approaches to calculating the angle and its impact on the overall uncertainty in the final result.

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The original poster notes a lack of information regarding the uncertainty of the angle measurement and considers the implications of measuring length with a meter stick to the nearest millimeter. This raises questions about how to propagate that uncertainty through calculations involving trigonometric functions.

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Hello, I'm having trouble with a lab report. The experiment conducted was we used an angled air-track and a timer to determine the speed at which an object slid down the track and its acceleration.

The final average acceleration we calculated was (61.034 +- 2.227)(cm/s2)

We're then given a formula to calculate gravitation acceleration from this figure: g=acceleration/(sinx)

Where x is the angle of the air-track, let's say 3.523 degrees.

How do I propagate uncertainty for this? I can calculate g easily, but I don't understand how I'm supposed to find a value for the +- bit. I don't know the uncertainty of the measured angle. My best guess would be that since I do not know the uncertainty of X, and thus I don't know the uncertainty of sin(x), I treat sin(x) like a precise number and divide acceleration's uncertainty by it to determine the uncertainty of g. Is this correct? If not, how do I do it?
 
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In general, if ##z=f(x)## where the uncertainty on x is ##\sigma_x## then $$\sigma_z=\frac{df}{dx}\sigma_x$$
This means the error on sin(x) is the same as the error on x, if the angle is very small.

In general, for small angles ##\sin\theta \approx \theta## where the angle is in radians.
 
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Simon Bridge said:
In general, if ##z=f(x)## where the uncertainty on x is ##\sigma_x## then $$\sigma_z=\frac{df}{dx}\sigma_x$$
This means the error on sin(x) is the same as the error on x, if the angle is very small.

In general, for small angles ##\sin\theta \approx \theta## where the angle is in radians.
Interesting. For the experiment, we used a meter stick to determine the length/height of the device, so we were only able to measure to the nearest milimeter. Does this mean there is an implied uncertainty of .05cm? From the length/height we used trig functions to calculate the angle of 3ish degrees, so do I then propagate that error as I would with multiplication/division to find the uncertainty in the angle?
 
Oh I get you.

From your kinematics coursework you should know that the acceleration of a block on a frictionless ramp inclined angle ##\theta## to the horizontal is given by ##a=g\sin\theta##. Therefore $$g=\frac{a}{\sin\theta}$$Why did you calculate the angle? You don't need it.

If you measured the length of the track L and the height you lifted the end above the table h, then your trigonometry tells you that $$\sin\theta=\frac{h}{L}\implies g=\frac{aL}{h}$$... you should be able to propagate those errors.

If you measured a length along the table x and a height to the ramp y, the $$\tan\theta = \frac{y}{x}$$
But for small angles, ##\tan\theta\approx\sin\theta## ... it is likely that the difference between the tangent and the sine of the angle is smaller than the uncertainties involved.
 

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