Prove That Relationship Given is True for Transmission Lines Homework

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around proving a relationship related to transmission lines, specifically focusing on the input impedance of concatenated transmission line segments with characteristic impedances.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are exploring the input impedance of transmission lines, with attempts to derive expressions for two-section and four-section configurations. There are questions regarding the validity of certain assumptions and calculations, particularly concerning the load impedances and the implications of adding more segments.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the correctness of their reasoning and calculations. Some have suggested methods for approaching the problem, such as concatenating additional transmission line sections and checking for consistency in input impedance.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the assumptions made about load impedances and the nature of the relationships being proven. Participants express uncertainty about specific calculations and the implications of different values for Z.

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Homework Statement


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I am having problems with the second part of the question - proving that the relationship given is true.

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See question.

The Attempt at a Solution


Firstly, consider a single pair of transmission lines with characteristic impedances ##Z_{1}## and ##Z_{2}##. My interpretation is that each of these segments have no load impedances on their own. We can say that this pair of transmission lines is equivalent to one transmission line whereby the load impedance is the input impedance as seen by the transmission line with characteristic impedance ##Z_{2}##. So the overall input impedance of this pair is:
$$Z_{in} = Z_1 \times \frac{Zcos(kl) + iZ_{1}sin(kl)}{Z_{1}cos(kl) + iZsin(kl)}$$ where ##Z = Z_{2}itan(kl)##.

Following this through we end up with:
$$Z_{in} = \frac{isin(kl)cos(kl)[Z_{1} + Z_{2}]}{cos^{2}(kl) - \frac{Z_2}{Z_1}sin^{2}(kl)}$$
I then thought about adding another pair of these transmission lines and enforcing the rule that the input impedance shouldn't change, but by my flawed reasoning would reduce this to adding a resistor in parallel whilst ensuring that the overall resistance did not change (which cannot be the case for something non-trivial).
 
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Sum Guy said:
$$Z_{in} = Z_1 \times \frac{Zcos(kl) + iZ_{1}sin(kl)}{Z_{1}cos(kl) + iZsin(kl)}$$ where ##Z = Z_{2}itan(kl)##..
This part is incorrect I think (always "I think" heh heh).
This problem is just very messy. Once you have Zin for the two-section concatenated line, add two more identical concatenated ones to get Zin for the 4-section line in the same manner, then force the ensuing Zin to be the same as for the 2-section line.
 
rude man said:
This part is incorrect I think (always "I think" heh heh).
This problem is just very messy. Once you have Zin for the two-section concatenated line, add two more identical concatenated ones to get Zin for the 4-section line in the same manner, then force the ensuing Zin to be the same as for the 2-section line.

My reasoning was as follows:
$$Z_{in 2} = Z_{2} \times \frac{Zcos(kl) + iZ_{2}sin(kl)}{Z_{2}cos(kl) + iZsin(kl)}$$ where ##Z = 0## (?)
Giving $$Z_{in 2} = Z_{2} \times \frac{iZ_{2}sin(kl)}{Z_{2}cos(kl)} = Z_{2}itan(kl)$$
What is wrong here?
 
Sum Guy said:
My reasoning was as follows:
$$Z_{in 2} = Z_{2} \times \frac{Zcos(kl) + iZ_{2}sin(kl)}{Z_{2}cos(kl) + iZsin(kl)}$$ where ##Z = 0## (?)
How about Z = ∞ instead?
 

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