Proving Isometry Preserves Distance in R^3 with f(0)=0

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Isometries in R^3 preserve distance, meaning ||f(u) - f(v)|| = ||u - v||. The discussion focuses on proving that if an isometry satisfies f(0) = 0, then f(u) x f(v) = ± f(u x v), where "x" denotes the cross product. Participants clarify that f(0) = 0 is given, and the connection to the cross product needs to be established through the properties of isometries. The challenge lies in relating the preservation of distance to the behavior of the cross product under the isometry. Understanding these relationships is crucial for proving the stated property.
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Ok I know that isometries preserve distance and in order for a fn to be an isometry || f(u) - f(v) || = || u - v ||
and in this question it asks to prove

prove that if an isometry satisfies f(0) = 0 then we have
f(u) x f(v) = +- f(u x v)
and what property of f determines the choice of sign

"x" is the cross product

Now i know that this space must be R^3 because its the cross product
and i know that f(0) = 0 because
|| f(v) - f(u) || = || f(0) - f(0) || = 0

I just don't know how to connect this knowledge to the cross product.
A push in the right direction would be awsome! I just need a start.
thank you very much
 
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What do you mean that you "know f(0) = 0 because..."? You know f(0) = 0 because they tell you so, you didn't (can't) deduce that fact, since translation is an isometry for which that equation doesn't hold. Also, why in the world would you have:

||f(v) - f(u)|| = ||f(0) - f(0)||?

That appears to come out of nowhere. Moreover, it appears to have nothing to do with f(0) = 0, although you claim to use it as your reason for justifying it. Here's what you know:

||f(u) - f(v)|| = ||u - v|| because f is an isometry
f(0) = 0 because they tell you so
"|| f(v) - f(u) || = || f(0) - f(0) ||" is false in general
 
oh ok, i was just trying anything really.
my biggest problem is using ||f(u) - f(v)|| = ||u - v||
to show that f(u) x f(v) = +- f(u x v)
i just don't know how to relate the two,
I don't want you to give me the answer AKG, i would much rather understand what i am suppose to do then get something free.
 
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