Proving that a sequence is always positive given two constraining relations

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a sequence defined recursively, starting with a positive initial value and a relation that generates subsequent terms. The goal is to demonstrate that all terms of the sequence remain positive.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants suggest using induction as a method to prove the positivity of the sequence. Others explore the implications of assuming convergence and the behavior of the sequence's limit.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants considering different proof strategies, including induction and the implications of limits. There is an acknowledgment of the need for a formal proof, but no consensus on the approach has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original problem does not explicitly mention limits, raising questions about the relevance of convergence to the proof of positivity.

Mr Davis 97
Messages
1,461
Reaction score
44

Homework Statement


Given that ##t_1 = 1## and ##\displaystyle t_{n+1} = \frac{t_n^2 + 2}{2t_n}## for ##n \ge 1##. Show that ##t_n > 0## for all ##n##.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Intuitively this is obvious. Since ##t_1## is positive, so is ##t_2##, and so on. But I am having trouble proving this rigorously...
 
Physics news on Phys.org
How about an induction?
 
fresh_42 said:
How about an induction?
Ah I see, that's a really easy induction. So, suppose I am assuming that ##t_n## converges, and I take the limit of both sides to solve the equation to get that ##\lim t_n = \pm \sqrt{2}##. Would I need to prove using induction that ##\forall n ~ t_n > 0## before I can disregard the negative root?
 
You said you want a formal proof for ##t_n > 0## which is either an induction or a proof by contradiction. You said nothing about the limit. If all sequence elements are positive, which I think doesn't need a formal proof, the limit can lowest be zero. Otherwise you would have a gap around the limit, i.e. a neighborhood without sequence elements.
 
Last edited:
Mr Davis 97 said:
Ah I see, that's a really easy induction. So, suppose I am assuming that ##t_n## converges, and I take the limit of both sides to solve the equation to get that ##\lim t_n = \pm \sqrt{2}##. Would I need to prove using induction that ##\forall n ~ t_n > 0## before I can disregard the negative root?

If you have a sequence ##\{ t_n \}## with all ##t_n > 0## then if a limit exists it cannot be ##< 0##; it may be zero or it may be positive. Think about it, and make sure you understand why.

However, this question (as written down by you) does not ask at all about limits.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
1K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K