Proving the volume of sphere using calculus

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Homework Statement


We know the surface area of a sphere is 4pir^2
but how can we proove this using integration.
I roughly know what to do, but i would like some guidance

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The Attempt at a Solution



I have made an attempt to the problem here
http://s1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb327/loba333/?action=view&current=IMG_1447.jpg

If you guys could show me how to do it step by step explaining what u''v done, I am sure it would be a great tutorial for other trying to learn this as well

Regards and thanks in advance

Dave
 
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Welcome to PF!

Hi Dave! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(have a pi: π and an integral: ∫ and try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)

You have the right idea …

you've divided the surface into strips of width dx, and radius y,

but you haven't accounted for the slope of the surface. :wink:
 
Additionally, have you had the formula for arc length ds? Rotate a chunk of arc length.

Also, I think you meant "surface area" in the thread title.
 


tiny-tim said:
Hi Dave! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(have a pi: π and an integral: ∫ and try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)

You have the right idea …

you've divided the surface into strips of width dx, and radius y,

but you haven't accounted for the slope of the surface. :wink:


cheers for the symbols ! ill hot key them to my pc.

does the 2π not account for the slope of the surface... as does πr when find the volume of a sphere via methods of integrating
 
nooo …

the great thing about volumes is that the slope at the end only affects the volume at the end, which is tiny compared with the whole 4πr2

but with areas, the whole 2πr is at the end (where the slope is) …

try it with the easy example of a cone instead of a sphere, and you'll see what I mean! :wink:
 
You don't say whether you are required to Cartesian coordinates but if not, here is how I would find the surface area.

Spherical coordinates are given by x= \rho cos(\theta) sin(\phi), y= \rho sin(\theta)sin(\phi), and z= \rho cos(\phi) with \theta going from 0 to 2\pi and \phi form 0 to \pi.

On a sphere of radius R, we have \rho= R and so can write the surface in terms of the two parameters, \theta and \phi as a vector equation:
\vec{p}(\theta, \phi)= Rcos(\theta)sin(\phi)\vec{i}+ Rsin(\theta)sin(\phi)\vec{j}+ Rcos(\phi)\vec{k}

The derivatives of that with respect to \theta and \phi are tangent vectors to that surface along the respective coordinate axes:
\vec{p}_\theta= -Rsin(\theta)sin(\phi)\vec{i}+ Rcos(\theta)sin(\phi)\vec{j}
and
\vec{p}_\phi= Rcos(\theta)cos(\phi)\vec{i}+ Rsin(\theta)cos(\phi)\vec{j}- Rsin(\phi)\vec{i}

The cross product of those tangent vectors (called the "fundamental vector product" for the surface) is perpendicular to the surface and incorporates all metric information- it gives the "vector differential of surface area" for the surface.

\left|\begin{array}{ccc}\vec{i} & \vec{j} & \vec{k} \\-Rsin(\theta)sin(\phi) & Rcos(\theta)sin(\phi) & 0 \\ Rcos(\theta)cos(\phi) & Rsin(\theta)cos(\phi) & -Rsin(\phi)\end{array}\right|
= -R^2cps)\theta sin^2\phi\vec{i}+ R^2 sin(\theta)sin^2(\phi)\vec{j}- R^2 sin(\phi)cos(\phi)\vec{k}

The length of that vector,
\sqrt{R^4(sin^4(\phi)+ sin^2(\phi)cos^2(\phi))}= \sqrt{R^4sin^2(\phi)}= R^2 sin^2(\phi)[/itex] <br /> gives the &quot;differential of surface area&quot;, R^2 sin^2(\phi)d\theta d\phi.<br /> <br /> The surface area of the sphere is <br /> \int_{\theta=0}^{2\pi}\int_{\phi= 0}^\pi R^2 sin^2(\phi)d\phi d\theta<br /> <br /> To integrate that, use the standard identity sin^2(\phi)= (1/2)(1- cos(\phi)):<br /> R^2/2 \int_{\theta= 0}^{2\pi} [1- cos(2\phi)]d\phi d\theta[/itex]
 
Happy new years guys ! thank you all for your posts however.

Im in first year, i think we are going to cover polar co-ordinates next semester. the method you have posted is quite interesting as i thought this how finding such a function would work, sadly some of the maths is a little out if my league ... for now.
So i was wondering if you could post how to do it using Cartesian co-ordinates ?

Kind Regards

David
 
Hi David! Happy new year to you too! :biggrin:

Hint: the slope is dy/dx (which in this case is |x/y|) …

the area will be the width of the slice divided by cos of the slope. :wink:
 
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