Puzzled by an equation for relativistic time difference....

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The discussion revolves around calculating the time difference for a light wave to reach two points, A' and B', in a relativistic framework. The observer in frame S' perceives the events as simultaneous, leading to an initial assumption of zero time difference, which is incorrect. The correct approach involves using Lorentz transformations to account for the relativistic effects on distances and times. The derived formula for the time difference is Δt = Lp(2v/(c² - v²)), which highlights the impact of relative motion on the propagation of light. The confusion arises from interpreting the distances and time intervals in different reference frames, emphasizing the complexities of relativistic physics.
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Homework Statement


Suppose that A', B', and C' are at rest in frame S', which moves with respect to S at speed v in the +x direction. Let B' be located exactly midway between A' and C'. At t' = 0, a light flash occurs at B' and expands outward as a spherical wave. (A', B', and C' are all on the +x axis, with A' having the smallest x coordinate and C' having the largest x coordinate. Assume A'B' = B'C' = Lp.)

What is the difference between the time it takes the wave front to reach A' and the time it takes to reach B' (Use the following as necessary: v, c and Lp.

Homework Equations


$$ \begin{align}
L & = \frac{L_\text{p}}{\gamma} \\
\Delta t & = \gamma \big( t' + \frac{v}{c^2}x' \big) \\
\end{align} $$

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I think an observer in S' would see the events simultaneously. So the time interval should be 0. but this is not the correct answer. So I will present an alternate attempt at rationalizing the situation.

An observer in S sees the light travel a distance AB = BC which is contracted from the proper length A'B' = B'C' according to:

$$ \text{AB} = \text{BC} = \frac{\text{A'B'}}{\gamma} = \frac{L_\text{p}}{\gamma} $$
Since the wave is an electromagnetic one, the time take to traverse these distances will be

$$ \Delta t_\text{AB} = \Bigg( \frac{L_\text{p}}{\gamma} \Bigg) \Bigg(\frac{1}{c + v} \Bigg) = \frac{L_\text{p}}{\gamma (c + v)} \\
\Delta t_\text{BC} = \Bigg( \frac{L_\text{p}}{\gamma} \Bigg) \Bigg(\frac{1}{c - v} \Bigg) = \frac{L_\text{p}}{\gamma (c - v)} \\
\implies \Delta t = \Delta t_\text{AB} - \Delta t_\text{BC} = \frac{L_\text{p}}{\gamma}\Bigg(\frac{2v}{c^2 - v^2} \Bigg)
$$

Now, I think the time interval being asked for is one from S' (which would not be the proper time right?). So I'll apply the inverted Lorentz transformation:

$$ \begin{align}
\Delta t' & = \gamma \big(\Delta t + \frac{v}{c^2} \Delta x \big) \\
& = \gamma \Bigg(\Delta t + \frac{v}{c^2} v \Delta t \Bigg) \\
& = \gamma \Delta t \Bigg( 1 + \frac{v^2}{c^2} \Bigg) \\
& = \gamma \frac{L_\text{p}}{\gamma}\Bigg(\frac{2v}{c^2 - v^2} \Bigg) \Bigg( 1 + \frac{v^2}{c^2} \Bigg) \\
& = L_\text{p} \Bigg(\frac{2v}{c^2 - v^2} \Bigg) \Bigg( 1 + \frac{v^2}{c^2} \Bigg)
\end{align}$$

But this is incorrect. The correct answer is:

$$ \Delta t = L_\text{p} \Bigg(\frac{2v}{c^2 - v^2} \Bigg) $$

Which I would get numerically by treating ##\Delta x ##, above, as 0; but I feel like this doesn't make physical sense since the ##\Delta x ## is distance B travels in the time between wavefronts.
 
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Can you please provide the exact problem statement?
 
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There you go.
 
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