Pytels Dynamics 12.10: parabolic path, velocity, acceleration

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The discussion revolves around solving a dynamics problem involving an automobile descending a parabolic hill. The key equations include the parabolic path y = h(1 - x²/b²) and the need to find the speed and acceleration of the vehicle. The solution for speed is derived as v = v₀√(1 + (2hx/b²)²), while the acceleration magnitude is given as 2hv₀²/b². Participants emphasize the importance of applying calculus and the chain rule correctly to derive these expressions. The conversation highlights the distinction between energy conservation and calculus applications in dynamics problems.
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Homework Statement


An automobile goes down a hill that has the parabolic cross section shown. (see image attached)
Assuming that the horizontal component of the velocity vector has a constant
magnitude v0, determine (a) the expression for the speed of the automobile in
terms of x; and (b) the magnitude and direction of the acceleration.

Homework Equations


y=h(1-x2/b2)

The Attempt at a Solution


I have attached an image

It gives a solution in (a) v0√1+(2hx/b2)2
and (b) 2hv02/b2

How do I proceed in (a) to come to the given solution?
 

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Have you considered mechanical energy conservation?
 
Conservation of mechanical energy is introduced later in pages 148-149.
This problem is at the first pages(pg. 23) of Dynamics 2nd edition under the Rectangular Coordinates section.
 
Actually, I was off the mark initially. This is not an energy conservation problem, but a simple application of calculus. You are looking for ##v = \sqrt{v_x^2+v_y^2}##. You know that ##v_x = v_0##, that ##y = h(1-x^2/b^2)## and that ##v_y = dy/dt##. So ...
 
so for vy = dy/dt i get vy = - (h/b2)2x

and v = sqrt(v02 + (- (h/b2)2x)2)

I don't know how to proceed then
 
Alexanddros81 said:
so for vy = dy/dt i get vy = - (h/b2)2x
You did not apply the chain rule of differentiation carefully enough. Try again. Remember that x depends on time.
 
Ok. What I get is different from the given soution at the back of the book.
It is given ##v = v_0 \sqrt {1 + \left( \frac {2hx} {b^2}\right) ^2}##
what I get is ##v = v_0 \sqrt {1 + \left( \frac {-2hx} {b^2}\right) ^2}##
Check also my upload
 

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##\left( -\frac{2hx}{b^2} \right)^2=\left( (-1)\frac{2hx}{b^2} \right)^2=(-1)^2\left( \frac{2hx}{b^2} \right)^2=\left( \frac{2hx}{b^2} \right)^2##
 
Any hint in finding the magnitude of acceleration?
It should be ##\frac {2hv_0^2} {b^2}##

I have done the ##a_y=\frac {d} {dt}\left( v_y\right) = \frac {d} {dt} \left [v_0\left(\frac {-2hx} {b^2}\right)\right]##. How do i proceed from here?

and ##a_x## should be zero since ##v_x## is constant
 
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Alexanddros81 said:
Any hint in finding the magnitude of acceleration?
It should be ##\frac {2hv_0^2} {b^2}##

I have done the ##a_y=\frac {d} {dt}\left( v_y\right) = \frac {d} {dt} \left [v_0\left(\frac {-2hx} {b^2}\right)\right]##. How do i proceed from here?

and ##a_x## should be zero since ##v_x## is constant
Apply Chain Rule, (see @kuruman's Post#6)
 
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It should be as shown at the attached file
 

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