Q and U parameters for polarization

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the polarization of the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB), specifically addressing the reasons for the expected weaker polarization signal compared to the temperature signal. Participants explore the implications of Stokes parameters and the physical processes involved in photon emission and scattering.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference Dodelson's book, noting that the CMB is polarized and that the polarization signal is expected to be weaker than the temperature signal.
  • There is a discussion about the Stokes parameters, particularly the relationship $$I^2 = Q^2 + U^2$$, with some participants questioning if this is the sole reason for the weaker polarization signal.
  • One participant mentions that only a small fraction of CMB photons are polarized, prompting further inquiry into the reasons behind this observation.
  • Another participant suggests that the low number of polarized photons is due to the physics of their emission, where random scattering before the photons leave the CMB leads to a predominance of unpolarized light, although some correlation in random motions results in a small amount of polarization.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the polarization of CMB photons is weak, but the reasons for the low fraction of polarized photons and the implications of the Stokes parameters remain points of exploration and clarification without a definitive consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the specific physical mechanisms that lead to the observed polarization levels, indicating a need for further exploration of the underlying processes involved in photon emission and scattering.

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Hello everyone :)

The CMB is polarized. I read in Dodelson's book "Modern Cosmology" that we can expect a signal of polarization weaker than the signal of temperature.
Is it only because the Stokes parameters obey $$I^2 = Q^2 + U^2 $$ (I drop V because Thomson scatering can't create V polarization) ? Or is there any other (more physical) reason ?

And I heard too that $$\langle Q \rangle = \langle U \rangle = 0$$ but I can't figure out why it is the case.

Thanks for your answers. :)
 
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Anne-Sylvie said:
Hello everyone :)

The CMB is polarized. I read in Dodelson's book "Modern Cosmology" that we can expect a signal of polarization weaker than the signal of temperature.
Is it only because the Stokes parameters obey $$I^2 = Q^2 + U^2 $$ (I drop V because Thomson scatering can't create V polarization) ? Or is there any other (more physical) reason ?

And I heard too that $$\langle Q \rangle = \langle U \rangle = 0$$ but I can't figure out why it is the case.

Thanks for your answers. :)
It's because only a small fraction of the CMB photons are polarized.
 
Chalnoth said:
It's because only a small fraction of the CMB photons are polarized.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough with my question.
I am wondering why are they so few polarized photons. :)
 
Anne-Sylvie said:
Maybe I wasn't clear enough with my question.
I am wondering why are they so few polarized photons. :)
Right, it's because of the physics of how they were emitted. Most of the photons are randomized by the random scatter that occurred before the photons left the CMB. But those random motions were correlated, giving rise to some small amount of polarization.
 

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