Question about torque and center of mass

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of torque and its relation to the center of mass in rigid bodies. Participants explore the conditions under which torque can be calculated, particularly regarding the fixedness of the distance from the axis of rotation, and the treatment of gravitational forces acting on a rigid body.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether torque can only be calculated when the distance r is fixed in magnitude and if the body must rotate around a fixed axis.
  • Another participant asks how to address torque when r is variable and not constant in magnitude.
  • It is noted that gravitational forces on a rigid body can be treated as acting at the center of mass, which raises questions about the reduction of forces.
  • A participant clarifies that torque can be applied if the rigid body is rotating about either a fixed point or a fixed axis, suggesting that the axis should be vertical to the xy-plane.
  • There is a request for clarification on whether the concept of torque is applicable only when the body is rotating about an axis and if it must maintain a fixed radius.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the conditions for applying the concept of torque, with multiple viewpoints on whether it requires fixed distances or axes. The discussion remains unresolved with competing interpretations of how gravitational forces are treated in relation to torque.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached consensus on the implications of variable distances in torque calculations and the treatment of forces acting on a rigid body.

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I am a beginner and this is my first post.

We know torque ## \vec T = \vec r × \vec F ## Now, should r be fixed in magnitude? I mean can I calculate torque only if the particle is rotating at a fixed distance around a fixed axis? I am having this idea because torque is explained (from where I read) using an analogy with doors.

Second question. I read that generally a system of forces acting on a rigid body can not be reduced to a single force equal to the vector sum of the forces. Then I get confused because in case of weight, we replace gravitational forces on each particle of a rigid body with a resultant force through the center of mass.
Will someone please explain?
 
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about your first question , your question is how can we deal with torque when r is variable 'not constant in magnitude' ?
 
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About your second question , [As I know] we treat the rigid body as a particle-like object so that the gravitational force will act only on its center of mass.
 
Maged Saeed said:
about your first question , your question is how can we deal with work when r is variable not constant 'in magnitude' ?
I think my first question was not clear enough. I asked if the concept of torque is applicable only if the particle (or body) is rotating about an axis? And should it rotate in a fixed radius? Sorry if the question is of very intro level.
 
No , [As far I know] The concept of torque can be applied if the rigid body is rotating about either a fixed point or a fixed axis , where the point 'similarly to the axis of rotation ' is allocated on an axis vertical to the xy-plane.
 
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