Rate of change of a right triangle

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the rate of change of a right triangle, specifically in the context of a boat being pulled towards the shore by a winch. The problem involves understanding the relationships between the lengths of the sides of the triangle and the rates of change associated with them.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to relate the lengths of the sides of the triangle using the Pythagorean theorem and differentiate to find the speed and acceleration of the boat. Some participants question the nature of the height of the winch, whether it is fixed or variable, which influences the derivatives involved in the equations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the mathematical relationships and derivatives involved. There is a progression in reasoning as they clarify assumptions about the height and derive equations for speed and acceleration. Some guidance has been offered regarding the differentiation process, but no consensus or final solution has been reached.

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There is an assumption that the height of the winch is fixed, which simplifies the derivatives involved. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their approach and seeks clarification on the steps taken in the differentiation process.

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Imagine a boat on the water being putted
towards the shore by a winch mounted a height
h above the water. The winch reels in cable
(shortening the hypotenuse) at constant rate
u in m/s . When the boat is a distance d from
the shore, find its speed and acceleration.
This is an example of motion at non-uniform
acceleration.

im letting hypotenuse here = x, so x^2 = d^2 + h^2
Im thinking i want to solve for d' to get the velocity at of d at distance d. okay I am going to give it a shot, but bear with me, i have little confidence in this answer and i understand that reading these next steps will probably be a little frightening for those who know how to solve this.
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x^2 = d^2 + h^2

d^2 = x^2 - h^2

2dd' = 2xx' - 2hh'

d' = [2xx' - 2hh']/(2d) <--- this is what i was thinking to explain the speed of d at distance d . my intuition was the to allow x' be u to explain the constant rate of the shortening of the hypotenuse, but I am not sure about it. i want to differentiate again to find d'' to explain acceleration, but i need to establish the correct way to do this first step before moving on.

can anyone give me a pointer or two.
 
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Whether the height h is variable or constant?
 
it is fixed, i believe. this is a copy of the illustration in my book:

http://s861.photobucket.com/albums/ab174/alkaline262/?action=view&current=physicstriangle.jpg
 
vande060 said:
it is fixed, i believe. this is a copy of the illustration in my book:

http://s861.photobucket.com/albums/ab174/alkaline262/?action=view&current=physicstriangle.jpg

In that case the derivative of h is equal to zero. And the equation becomes

2d*d' = 2x*x'

d' = x*x'/d...(1)

d'*d' + d*d" = x'*x'...(2) because x' is constant.

Now proceed.
 
rl.bhat said:
In that case the derivative of h is equal to zero. And the equation becomes

2d*d' = 2x*x'

d' = x*x'/d...(1)

d'*d' + d*d" = x'*x'...(2) because x' is constant.

Now proceed.

okay, i understand how you got 2, you multiplied both sides by d then differentiated right?

okay so now i just simplify..

(x'*x' - d'*d')/d = d"

x' here represent the constant rate, u m/s, that the hypotenuse is shortening.
 
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Yes.
 
rl.bhat said:
Yes.


thank you greatly
 

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