'Reversing' a moments calculation

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The discussion revolves around calculating the effects on spring forces f1, f2, and f3 when a 30N balancing force F is shifted to the right. Initial calculations establish the equilibrium position and moment equations based on the original configuration. As the force is moved, new moment equations are derived, but the participant struggles to isolate the individual spring forces. To solve for the unknowns, a system of three equations must be established, employing techniques such as substitution or elimination. The focus remains on determining how the shift in force impacts the spring forces in the system.
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[URL]http://homepage.ntlworld.com/russelliott/shifting-cofg-1.png[/URL]

A rigid weightless beam is supported on 3 springs, spaced as marked. The forces in the 3 springs are initially equal (at 10N). The position of the 30N balancing force F to keep the system in equilibrium is determined from taking moments about F:

f1x1 + f2x2 = f3x3
10(20 + x2) + 10x2 = 10(29 - x2) [substituting values, to isolate x2]
200 + 10x2 + 10x2 = 290 - 10x2 [expanding]
30x2 = 90
x2 = 3

So far so good.

Homework Statement



What I'm trying to determine is what happens to the spring forces f1, f2 and f3 if the position of the balancing force F is shifted, say a further short distance x4 to the right (and with F remaining at 30N):

[URL]http://homepage.ntlworld.com/russelliott/shifting-cofg-2.png[/URL]

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



From the second diagram I get a number of moment equations:

f1(23 + x4) + f2(3 + x4) = f3(26 - x4) [taking moments about F]
23f1 + f1x4 + 3f2 + f2x4 = 26f3 - f3x4 [expanded]
f1x4 + f2x4 + f3x4 = 26f3 - 23f1 - 3f2 [further expanded]
30x4 = 26f3 - 23f1 - 3f2 [given that f1 + f2 + f3 = F = 30]

30(23 + x4) = 20f2 + 49f3 [taking moments about f1]
30x4 = 20f2 + 49f3 - 690

20f1 + 30(3 + x4) = 29f3 [taking moments about f2]
30x4 = 29f3 - 20f1 - 90

49f1 + 29f2 = 30(26 - x4) [taking moments about f3]
30x4 = 780 - 49f1 - 20f2

but I can't isolate f1, f2 or f3. What mathematical technique do I need?
 
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To solve for the three unknown forces f1, f2, and f3, you will need to use a system of three equations with three unknowns. You can use substitution or elimination to solve the system of equations.
 
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