Second derivatives to find max and min values then sketch graph

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The discussion revolves around analyzing the function f(x) = x³ - 12x, focusing on identifying extrema, points of inflection, and the behavior of the function in terms of increasing/decreasing and concavity. Participants are exploring the use of first and second derivatives in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the identification of critical points and inflection points using derivatives. There is uncertainty about how to determine where the function is increasing or decreasing and how to assess concavity. Some participants question the necessity of using derivatives for these determinations, suggesting that visual inspection of the graph might suffice.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with various interpretations being explored regarding the application of derivatives. Some participants provide guidance on using first and second derivatives to analyze the function, while others express skepticism about the sufficiency of these methods. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the function's behavior may not always conform to typical derivative rules, citing examples where critical points do not correspond to extrema or inflection points. There is also mention of constraints related to graphing without calculators.

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Homework Statement



Sketch the graph of each function. List the coordinates of where extrema or points of inflection occur. State where the function is increasing or decreasing, as well as where it is concave up or concave down.

9. f(x)=x3-12x

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f(x)=x3-12x

f'(x)=3x2-12
f''(x)=6x

Critical Points: (2,-16) and (-2,16)

f''(x)=6x=0 , which makes x = 0 which gives the inflection point (0,0)..

I got all three of those points on the graph. I don't understand the concave up or concave down part and where the function is increasing or decreasing.
 
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Once you have the three points i don't understand why you have to put them into the second derivative to find the increasing or decreasing. You can see it by just looking at the graph and plugging in a few points.
 
Nawz said:
I got all three of those points on the graph. I don't understand the concave up or concave down part and where the function is increasing or decreasing.

You should be able to use the first derivative to tell whether a function is increasing or decreasing, and the second derivative to tell when it's concave up and concave down
 
Points of inflection occur where the second derivative is equal to zero which occurs at zero.

Take the first derivative and set it equal to zero to find the critical points. (only the x values) Once found, plug them into the second derivative function and only look at the sign of the answer. If it's positive then the function is concave up at that point ie a candidate for the min, if it's negative then it's concave down ie a candidate for the max.

The function is increasing where the first derivative is positive and vice versa for the opposite.
 
Calculus was developed centuries before graphing calculators or even ordinary scientific calculators. If you are taking a test in which a calculator is not permitted, you can still draw a very reasonable graph of a function using the first and second derivative.

For an arbitrary function, f''(a) = 0 does not necessarily imply that there is an inflection point at (a, f(a)). For example, the graph of f(x) = x4 has no inflection points, even though f''(0) = 0.

Similarly, g'(a) = 0 does not necessarily imply that there is a max or min at (a, g(a)). The graph of g(x) = x3 has no extreme points even though g'(0) = 0.

A function f is increasing on any interval for which f'(x) > 0, and is decreasing on any interval for which f'(x) < 0.

A function f is concave up on any interval for which f''(x) > 0, and is concave down on any interval for which f''(x) < 0. A function has an inflection point at a point where the concavity changes from concave down to concave up, or from concave up to concave down.
 
Brandon_R said:
Points of inflection occur where the second derivative is equal to zero which occurs at zero.
This is an oversimplification that is not always true. For example, g(x) = x4 has no inflection points.
 
Just find the gradient of point + or - 0.001 of the stationary point and the nature will seem obvious
 

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