Self lock: conditions to make it work

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The problem involves determining the relationship between the width x and height y of a flat piece positioned between two walls, subjected to an eccentric force F, to achieve self-locking without downward movement. The discussion centers around the mechanics of friction and the balance of moments in this setup.

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  • Participants explore equations of moments around different points and question the validity of their assumptions regarding the frictional forces and their maximum values. There are attempts to simplify the problem and clarify the conditions for self-locking.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. Some suggest that the frictional force does not need to be at its maximum on both sides simultaneously, while others are exploring the implications of this on the overall balance of forces and moments.

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There are ongoing debates about the assumptions made regarding the frictional forces and the conditions under which the flat piece will not slip. Participants have noted discrepancies in their equations and are attempting to reconcile different approaches to the problem.

  • #31
For F outside moments around A:
$$\mbox{and}\left\{\begin{array}{ll}F\left(\frac{x}{2}+l\right)=Ry+\mu Rx\\2\mu R<F\end{array}\right.\rightarrow F\left(\frac{x}{2}+l\right)<\frac{F}{2\mu}(y-\mu x)\rightarrow y>2\mu l$$
And for F inside its ##\mu x < y##
 
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  • #32
Karol said:
For F outside moments around A:
$$\mbox{and}\left\{\begin{array}{ll}F\left(\frac{x}{2}+l\right)=Ry+\mu Rx\\2\mu R<F\end{array}\right.\rightarrow F\left(\frac{x}{2}+l\right)<\frac{F}{2\mu}(y-\mu x)\rightarrow y>2\mu l$$
And for F inside its ##\mu x < y##
I agree with your algebra for the F outside case, but the condition seems to be inverted. I thought we wanted the non-slip condition, so it would be ##2\mu R > F##, leading to ##\mu > y/(2l)##.
For F inside, perhaps you're doing the same, since you keep asserting ##\mu x < y## when I have shown the opposite must be true. Anyway, the inside case is more complicated because we cannot assume the top right corner is on the point of slipping. The frictional force there is anything from zero to ##\mu R##. It will take a bit of thought to decide which of those extremes is the right one for the purpose of answering the question.
 

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