Should diatomic gas be regarded as ideal gas?

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The discussion centers on whether diatomic gases can be regarded as ideal gases, particularly in comparison to monoatomic gases. It explores the conditions under which diatomic gases may exhibit ideal gas behavior, including considerations of pressure and heat capacity.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that diatomic gases can be treated as ideal gases under low pressure conditions, with the primary distinction being their heat capacity compared to monoatomic gases.
  • One participant questions whether the heat capacity ratio (γ) of 5/3 applies exclusively to monoatomic ideal gases.
  • Another participant confirms that the heat capacity ratio of 5/3 is indeed specific to monoatomic ideal gases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of diatomic gases as ideal gases, with some agreeing on the conditions under which this is valid, while others raise questions about specific properties like heat capacity ratios.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the broader implications of treating diatomic gases as ideal gases, nor does it clarify the conditions under which these assumptions hold true.

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We know that one model for ideal gas is monoatomic gas with no attractive force between atoms, elastic collision and some other assumptions. I would like to ask if there exist a gas behave exactly the same but the only difference is it's a diatomic gas (or more complicated structure), should it be regarded as an ideal gas? (Note that the average KE for monoatomic and diatomic gas are different)
 
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kelvin490 said:
We know that one model for ideal gas is monoatomic gas with no attractive force between atoms, elastic collision and some other assumptions. I would like to ask if there exist a gas behave exactly the same but the only difference is it's a diatomic gas (or more complicated structure), should it be regarded as an ideal gas? (Note that the average KE for monoatomic and diatomic gas are different)
Yes. We can treat diatomic gases as ideal gases also, if the pressure is low enough. The only difference is in their heat capacity.

Chet
 
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Chestermiller said:
Yes. We can treat diatomic gases as ideal gases also, if the pressure is low enough. The only difference is in their heat capacity.

Chet

Thanks for the answer. For monoatomic ideal gas the cv is 3R/2 and cp is 5R/2, so γ=5/3 is for monoatomic ideal gas only?
 
kelvin490 said:
Thanks for the answer. For monoatomic ideal gas the cv is 3R/2 and cp is 5R/2, so γ=5/3 is for monoatomic ideal gas only?
Yes.
 
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