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The discussion revolves around a problem involving vector-valued functions, specifically focusing on the relationship between the second derivative of a function and its first derivative in the context of orthogonality. The original poster presents a scenario where a vector B and a function F are defined, with the goal of demonstrating that F''(t) is perpendicular to F'(t).

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the derivation of relationships between the derivatives of the function F and the vector B. There are attempts to apply the concept of perpendicular vectors and to differentiate given equations to establish connections between F'(t) and F''(t). Questions arise regarding the correctness of the original poster's reasoning and the implications of the zero vector in the context of orthogonality.

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Some participants have offered guidance on the need for careful differentiation and have pointed out potential misconceptions regarding the magnitudes of the derivatives. There is an acknowledgment of the need for further exploration of the mathematical identities involved in the problem.

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One participant notes a concern regarding the appropriate forum for posting questions involving derivatives, suggesting that the original poster may have misclassified the problem's complexity.

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I have this exercise on my book and I believe it is quite simple to solve, but I'm not sure if I did good, so here it is

Homework Statement


given a vector B ∈ ℝn, B ≠ 0 and a function F : ℝ → ℝn such that F(t) ⋅ B = t ∀t and the angle φ between F'(t) and B is constant with respect to t, show that F''(t) is perpendicular to F'(t);

Homework Equations


perpendicular vectors: F''(t) ⋅ F'(t) = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


Since I have to show that the scalar product between F'' and F' is 0, i would obviously try to derive the given eqs and find a relation between the two derivatives
F(t) ⋅ B = t ⇒ d/dt(F(t) ⋅ B) = d/dt(t) ⇒ F'(t) ⋅ B = 1
F'(t) ⋅ B = |F'(t)B|cosφ = 1 ⇒ d/dt(|F'(t)B|cosφ) = d/dt(1) ⇒ |F''(t)B|cosφ = 0
cosφ ≠ 0 since F'Bcosφ = 1, and B ≠ 0, then it must be F''(t) = 0 ⇒ F''(t) ⋅ F'(t) = 0

Is this correct? Can I say that the zero vector is perpendicular to F' or did I miss something?
 
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mastrofoffi said:
I have this exercise on my book and I believe it is quite simple to solve, but I'm not sure if I did good, so here it is

Homework Statement


given a vector B ∈ ℝn, B ≠ 0 and a function F : ℝ → ℝn such that F(t) ⋅ B = t ∀t and the angle φ between F'(t) and B is constant with respect to t, show that F''(t) is perpendicular to F'(t);

Homework Equations


perpendicular vectors: F''(t) ⋅ F'(t) = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


Since I have to show that the scalar product between F'' and F' is 0, i would obviously try to derive the given eqs and find a relation between the two derivatives
F(t) ⋅ B = t ⇒ d/dt(F(t) ⋅ B) = d/dt(t) ⇒ F'(t) ⋅ B = 1
F'(t) ⋅ B = |F'(t)B|cosφ = 1 ⇒ d/dt(|F'(t)B|cosφ) = d/dt(1) ⇒ |F''(t)B|cosφ = 0
cosφ ≠ 0 since F'Bcosφ = 1, and B ≠ 0, then it must be F''(t) = 0 ⇒ F''(t) ⋅ F'(t) = 0

Is this correct? Can I say that the zero vector is perpendicular to F' or did I miss something?

It is not generally true that \|F&#039;\|&#039; = \|F&#039;&#039;\|. On differentiating \|F&#039;\|\|B\|\cos \phi with respect to t you should obtain <br /> \|B\|\cos \phi\frac{d\|F&#039;\|}{dt} = 0 since \frac{d}{dt}\|B\| = \frac{d\phi}{dt} = 0.

To proceed further you will need the identity <br /> \frac{d}{dt}\|F&#039;\|^2 = \frac{d}{dt} (F&#039; \cdot F&#039;) = 2F&#039; \cdot F&#039;&#039;.
 
pasmith said:
It is not generally true that \|F&#039;\|&#039; = \|F&#039;&#039;\|
Oh I see that, I should have been more careful. Thank you very much.
 
@mastrofoffi, please post questions of this nature in the Calculus & Beyond section, not the Precalculus section. If the question involves derivatives, it should NOT go in the Precalc section.
 

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