Show that the origin is a critical point (linear differential equation)

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the origin (0,0) is a critical point in the context of a second-order linear differential equation, specifically x'' + 10x' + 25x = 0. Participants are exploring the operator format and the implications of critical points in differential equations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the definition of a critical point and question whether it relates to initial conditions. There are attempts to convert the second-order equation into a system of first-order equations, with some confusion about the implications of this transformation.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the general solution and the operator format, while others express uncertainty about the meaning of critical points and the method for demonstrating them. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, and there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

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Participants note the challenge of understanding the professor's instructions regarding the transformation of the differential equation and the definition of critical points. There is a lack of clarity on how to proceed with the problem based on the given information.

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Homework Statement



Show that the origin (0,0) is a critical point. Write the linear differential equation in operator format and solve.

Homework Equations



x'' + 10x' + 25x = 0

The Attempt at a Solution



I am not sure how to show that the origin is a critical point (without using a graph).

As for solving the 2nd-order linear differential equation, here's what I did:

x'' + 10x' + 25x = 0

Auxillary equation: m2 + 10m + 25 = 0
Roots: m1 = m2 = -5

General solution: x = c1e-5x + c2xe-5x

I believe my general solution is correct, but am not sure if I solved it by "operator method".
 
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Hi JJBladester! :wink:
JJBladester said:
Show that the origin (0,0) is a critical point. Write the linear differential equation in operator format and solve.

x'' + 10x' + 25x = 0

General solution: x = c1e-5x + c2xe-5x

I believe my general solution is correct, but am not sure if I solved it by "operator method".

Yes, that's the correct general solution :smile:

I think by operator format they just mean D2 + 10D + 25 = 0 :wink:

But I don't quite understand what is meant by (0,0) :confused:

does that mean that there is an initial condition of x' = 0 at x = 0?

if so, (0,0) is a critical point just by looking at x'' + 10x' + 25x = 0 … you don't need to solve it. :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
I don't quite understand what is meant by (0,0) :confused:

does that mean that there is an initial condition of x' = 0 at x = 0?

if so, (0,0) is a critical point just by looking at x'' + 10x' + 25x = 0 … you don't need to solve it. :wink:

My professor said I should:

"Change the 2nd order DEQ into a system of first order DEQ's.
Basically...Let y=dx/dt and then substitute... When you get these two equations, set both derivatives equal to zero and solve for the x and y value that solves the system."

I'm still a little confused what that means.

Here is my attempt:

Let y = x', y'=x''

So x'' + 10x' + 25x = 0 becomes y' + 10y + 25x = 0.

-10y - 25x = 0
y = 0
-25x = 0
x = 0
 
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hmm … I've no idea what he means :redface:

unless maybe he means put y = x' + 5x …

then y' + 5y = 0 …

dunno … as I said in my last post, I don't really understand the question :confused:
 
Let y= x'. Then x'' + 10x' + 25x = 0 becomes y'+ 10y+ 25x= 0 and we have the system of equations x'= y, y'= -10x-25y. A "critical point" is (x,y) such that x'= 0 and y'= 0.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Let y= x'. Then x'' + 10x' + 25x = 0 becomes y'+ 10y+ 25x= 0 and we have the system of equations x'= y, y'= -10x-25y. A "critical point" is (x,y) such that x'= 0 and y'= 0.

why can't we just put x'' = x' = 0 in the original equation, then, and forget about y? :confused:
 

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