Showing E.dl is 0 - Why cylindrical coordinates?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the line integral of the electric field \(\oint \vec{E} \cdot \vec{dl}\) for a point charge located at the origin, specifically around a circular path of radius \(a\). The subject area is electromagnetism, focusing on electric fields and coordinate systems.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the appropriateness of using cylindrical versus spherical coordinates for the problem. Some suggest that while any coordinate system could be used, spherical coordinates might simplify the calculations due to the symmetry of the charge distribution.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the choice of coordinate systems and considering the implications of symmetry on the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the potential advantages of different coordinate systems, but no consensus has been reached.

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There is a mention of the symmetry of the point charge and the circular path, indicating that the choice of coordinate system may influence the complexity of the integration involved.

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Homework Statement


A point charge +Q exists at the origin. Find [itex]\oint[/itex] [itex]\vec{E}[/itex] [itex]\cdot \vec{dl}[/itex] around a circle of radius a centered around the origin.

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The solution provided is:
[itex]\vec{E} = \hat{\rho}\frac{Q}{4\pi E_0a^2}[/itex]
[itex]\vec{dl}=\hat{\phi}\rho d\phi[/itex]
Why are cylindrical coordinates being used here?
 
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I think these are spherical coordinates. Why do you think they are cylindrical?
 
In principle, one can use any coordinate system for this problem. However, it's simpler to use spherical coordinates in this case. To see why, write ##\vec E## and ##\vec {dl}## in rectangular (Cartesian) coordinates.
 
jtbell said:
In principle, one can use any coordinate system for this problem. However, it's simpler to use spherical coordinates in this case. To see why, write ##\vec E## and ##\vec {dl}## in rectangular (Cartesian) coordinates.
Not really sure what it would be in rectangular coordinates...
 
Start by drawing a diagram that shows ##\vec E## and ##\vec {dl}## at a point a distance a from the origin and at some arbitrary angle φ with respect to the x-axis. Then resolve both of those vectors into x- and y- components.
 
emhelp100 said:

Homework Statement


A point charge +Q exists at the origin. Find [itex]\oint[/itex] [itex]\vec{E}[/itex] [itex]\cdot \vec{dl}[/itex] around a circle of radius a centered around the origin.

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Why are cylindrical coordinates being used here?

As @jtbell states, any coordinate system can be used.
You'll get the same result... but one choice of coordinates might be easier than another.
Generally speaking, if you choose a coordinate system that exploits a symmetry in the problem, then your math problem (your integration problem) will be simpler.
The point charge at the origin describes something with spherical symmetry.
The circle centered around the origin has cylindrical symmetry.

(Would you rather calculate the circumference of a circle in rectangular coordinates or in polar coordinates?)
 

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