Showing E.dl is 0 - Why cylindrical coordinates?

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The discussion centers on the use of cylindrical coordinates for calculating the line integral of the electric field around a point charge at the origin. While any coordinate system can be applied, cylindrical coordinates are deemed simpler due to the symmetry of the problem. The point charge exhibits spherical symmetry, but the circular path of integration introduces cylindrical symmetry, making cylindrical coordinates more convenient. Participants emphasize that choosing a coordinate system that aligns with the problem's symmetry can simplify calculations. Ultimately, the choice of coordinates can significantly impact the ease of solving the integral.
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Homework Statement


A point charge +Q exists at the origin. Find \oint \vec{E} \cdot \vec{dl} around a circle of radius a centered around the origin.

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The Attempt at a Solution


The solution provided is:
\vec{E} = \hat{\rho}\frac{Q}{4\pi E_0a^2}
\vec{dl}=\hat{\phi}\rho d\phi
Why are cylindrical coordinates being used here?
 
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I think these are spherical coordinates. Why do you think they are cylindrical?
 
In principle, one can use any coordinate system for this problem. However, it's simpler to use spherical coordinates in this case. To see why, write ##\vec E## and ##\vec {dl}## in rectangular (Cartesian) coordinates.
 
jtbell said:
In principle, one can use any coordinate system for this problem. However, it's simpler to use spherical coordinates in this case. To see why, write ##\vec E## and ##\vec {dl}## in rectangular (Cartesian) coordinates.
Not really sure what it would be in rectangular coordinates...
 
Start by drawing a diagram that shows ##\vec E## and ##\vec {dl}## at a point a distance a from the origin and at some arbitrary angle φ with respect to the x-axis. Then resolve both of those vectors into x- and y- components.
 
emhelp100 said:

Homework Statement


A point charge +Q exists at the origin. Find \oint \vec{E} \cdot \vec{dl} around a circle of radius a centered around the origin.

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Why are cylindrical coordinates being used here?

As @jtbell states, any coordinate system can be used.
You'll get the same result... but one choice of coordinates might be easier than another.
Generally speaking, if you choose a coordinate system that exploits a symmetry in the problem, then your math problem (your integration problem) will be simpler.
The point charge at the origin describes something with spherical symmetry.
The circle centered around the origin has cylindrical symmetry.

(Would you rather calculate the circumference of a circle in rectangular coordinates or in polar coordinates?)
 
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