Simple parallel circuit question

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to electrical circuits, specifically focusing on a simple parallel circuit and the application of Kirchhoff's Laws. Participants are seeking clarification on the relationships between current and voltage in the circuit, as well as how to derive the necessary equations to solve for unknown currents.

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  • The original poster attempts to establish equations based on Kirchhoff's Laws but is unsure if they have sufficient equations to solve for all currents. They question the relationships between the currents and whether certain currents are equal.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's queries, providing clarifications and confirming or correcting assumptions about current flow and the application of Kirchhoff's Laws. There is a productive exchange of ideas regarding the setup of the circuit and the implications of the current directions.

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There is a noted lack of initial information provided by the homework assignment, which has led to confusion among participants who are new to the subject. The original poster expresses concern about missing components in their equations.

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Ok so my maths department decided to give us a question about electrical circuits with no information on how they work. Considering that more than half of the students are only starting their physics study this year (including me) it seems a bit odd... I just need a bit of clarification on a few things.

Diagram here:
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I understand that Kirchoff's Law says that the total change in electrical potential around a closed loop is zero.
So that means we have... [itex]V = i_{2}R + i_{7}R[/itex] and also [itex]V= i_{3}R + i_{4}R[/itex]. Is this correct so far?

Another law I found was that the sum of all currents at any node in the circuit is zero..

So we have... [itex]i_{2} -i_{3} - i_{7} = 0[/itex] and [itex]i_{5} + i_{7} - i_{6} = 0[/itex]

If this is all correct, then I have 4 equations... I need a total of 7 to solve for the values of the currents in terms of V and R.

Unfortunately, that is as far as my knowledge takes me... Could someone point me in some direction as to how I could find the other equations.

Is by any change [itex]i_{3} = i_{4} = i_{5}[/itex] and [itex]i_{1} + i_{2} + i_{6}[/itex]

Thanks in advanced
 
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Hi jgv115! http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5725/red5e5etimes5e5e45e5e25.gif

Current doesn't evaporate or get used up, so i3 = i4 = i5
and i1 = i2 = i6
and i7 + i5 = i6

If your arrows indicate current direction, then they should all be reversed because current goes from the large (+) terminal then around the circuit and back into the battery's stubby terminal. (As your diagram stands, the arrows are correct for electron flow. Conventional current is said to flow in the opposite direction―an historical anomaly.)
 
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Hi, NascentOxygen

Thanks for the simple explanation (which is all I needed for this maths question).

Could you perhaps confirm whether or not [itex]V= i_{3}R + i_{4}R[/itex]

I'm just a bit worried that because the current gets split at the top node that this somehow isn't correct.

Thank you
 
jgv115 said:
Could you perhaps confirm whether or not [itex]V= i_{3}R + i_{4}R[/itex]

No, you have missed a resistor out of that closed loop.
 
Hmm... does that mean I'm missing the resistor above [itex]i_{2}[/itex]?

That makes it [itex]V= i_{3}R + i_{4}R + i_{2}R[/itex]. Is that right?
 
Yes that's right! Does it help if you simplify the whole thing e.g. by setting ## j = i_7 ## and ## k = i_3 = i_4 = i_5 ## ? You then only have two variables so only need two equations, and you have two closed loops over which you can apply Kirchoff's Law...
 

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