Simple problem on waves (Math query)

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The problem involves analyzing wave behavior on a string, specifically focusing on an incident wave, reflected wave, and transmitted wave. The context is rooted in the application of boundary conditions related to wave continuity and differentiability at a specific point.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the integration of equations derived from boundary conditions, with one participant expressing difficulty in applying the chain rule correctly. Others suggest alternative approaches to integration and clarify the relationship between differentiation and integration.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods to integrate the equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the integration process, and there is a recognition of mistakes made in applying mathematical principles.

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Participants are navigating through the implications of boundary conditions and the mathematical relationships between the incident, reflected, and transmitted waves. There is an acknowledgment of potential misunderstandings in applying calculus concepts.

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Homework Statement



(Griffiths) Suppose you send an incident wave of specified shape [itex]g_{I}(z-v_{1}t)[/itex], down string number 1. It gives rise to a reflected wave, [itex]h_{R}(z+v_{1}t)[/itex], and a transmitted wave, [itex]g_{T}(z-v_{2}t)[/itex]. By imposing the boundary conditions 9.26 and 9.27, find [itex]h_{R}[/itex] and [itex]g_{T}[/itex].

(Boundary conditions 9.26 and 9.27 are equations expressing continuity and differentiability at z = 0).

Homework Equations



Continuity at [itex]z = 0[/itex] implies

[tex]g_{I}(-v_{1}t) + h_{R}(v_{1}t) = g_{T}(-v_{2}t)[/tex]

Also,

[tex]\frac{\partial g_{I}}{\partial z} = -\frac{1}{v_{1}}\frac{\partial g_{I}}{\partial t}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{\partial h_{R}}{\partial z} = \frac{1}{v_{1}}\frac{\partial h_{R}}{\partial t}[/tex][tex]\frac{\partial g_{T}}{\partial z} = -\frac{1}{v_{2}}\frac{\partial g_{T}}{\partial t}[/tex]

So the differentiability condition

[tex]\left(\frac{\partial g_{I}}{\partial z}\right)_{z=0^{-}} + \left(\frac{\partial h_{R}}{\partial z}\right)_{z=0^{-}} = \left(\frac{\partial g_{T}}{\partial z}\right)_{z=0^{+}}[/tex]

is equivalent to

[tex]-\frac{1}{v_{1}}\frac{\partial g_{I}}{\partial t} + \frac{1}{v_{1}}\frac{\partial h_{R}}{\partial t} = -\frac{1}{v_{2}}\frac{\partial g_{T}}{\partial t}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I am just stuck with the integration of the last equation. I know I should get something like

[tex]g_{I}(-v_{1}t) - h_{R}(v_{1}t) = \frac{v_{1}}{v_{2}}g_{T}(-v_{2}t) + C[/tex]

C = constant

But I can't exactly get to this by integrating the last equation...I get velocity squares or something (which I know from analysis of sine waves, is wrong)...I think I am wrongly applying the chain rule. Can someone please help me out here? (:zzz:)

Thanks and cheers
vivek
 
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Any ideas, anyone? :confused:
 
To the Moderator: Can you please shift this to the appropriate sub forum?
 
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think you need to use the chain rule. Since you have no hidden t dependence in your functions I guess you can say
[tex] \int (\frac{\partial}{\partial t} f(z,t) )dt=f(z,t) + C[/tex]
Differentiation and then integration with respect to t should give the same function back. Then you get directly the answer you wanted...

Using this together with the continuity at z=0 should allow you to express transmitted and reflected waves in terms of the incident wave.
 
Hi Andrew

Thanks for your reply. Sorry, I meant to say "change of variable" instead of "chain rule". This is where I am getting stuck:

[tex]-\frac{1}{v_{1}}\frac{\partial g_{I}}{\partial t} + \frac{1}{v_{1}}\frac{\partial h_{R}}{\partial t} = -\frac{1}{v_{2}}\frac{\partial g_{T}}{\partial t}[/tex]

Now, integrate both sides with respect to time. The first term is really

[tex]-\frac{1}{v_{1}}\int\frac{\partial g_{I}(-v_{1}t)}{\partial t}dt[/tex]

I just want to do this integral explicitly, to convince myself that the equation I ought to be getting is obvious... I am making some silly mistake each time with it...
 
Hi!

OK, explicitly I think your integral would be (ignoring the first constant):
[tex] \int\frac{\partial g_{I}(-v_{1}t)}{\partial t}dt=<br /> \int -v_1\, g'_I(-v_{1}t)dt[/tex]
using the chain rule (yes if you want to write out the detalis we need it). Now putting x=-v1 t, and with dt=-dx/v1
[tex] =\int -v_1\, g'_I(x)\frac{-dx}{v_1}<br /> =\int g'_I(x) dx<br /> =g_I(x)+C=g_I(-v_1 t)+C[/tex]

But this I think we can see directly also since by definition the primitive function of the derivative gives the same function back... Hope I got the details correct.
 
Hi Andrew

Thanks...I understand my mistake now. I was factoring out the 1/v1 term without a multiplicative v1 term so I would get something like 1/v1 squared :rolleyes:

Cheers
Vivek
 

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