Solve Chem Q2: ΔH° for Combustion & NaOH Formation

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The discussion revolves around calculating the enthalpy change (ΔH°) for the combustion of methanol and the formation of sodium hydroxide (NaOH) from sodium peroxide (Na2O2) and water. Participants explore the methodology for determining ΔH° values, including unit conversions and the significance of reaction stoichiometry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests calculating ΔH° for methanol combustion by finding the molar mass and using the heat produced, but expresses confusion over unit consistency.
  • Another participant questions the method of finding molar mass and emphasizes the importance of showing units in calculations.
  • There is a discussion about the correct interpretation of the energy released when forming NaOH, with participants debating the significance of the negative sign in ΔH° values.
  • One participant clarifies that the heat value for NaOH formation can be expressed per mole of NaOH, leading to a calculation of 63 kJ for 2 moles.
  • Confusion arises regarding the units for the first reaction, with one participant noting that the answer of -638 kJ is based on the reaction as written.
  • Another participant points out that the ΔH° for the second reaction can be reported in terms of different reactants or products, highlighting the importance of reaction stoichiometry in determining heat values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the methods for calculating ΔH°, but there is ongoing confusion regarding unit consistency and the interpretation of negative signs in enthalpy values. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the proper units for ΔH° calculations and the implications of stoichiometry in reactions. There are also unresolved questions about the correct interpretation of energy values in relation to the reactions presented.

Who May Find This Useful

Students studying thermochemistry, particularly those working on enthalpy calculations and reaction stoichiometry in chemistry courses.

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Homework Statement


1)The complete combustion of 1.47 g of methanol produces 29.3 kJ of heat. Determine the ΔH° for the reaction and its sign.
CH3OH(l) + 3/2O2(g) → CO2(g) + 2H2O(g)

2) The value of ΔH° for the reaction below is -126 kJ. How much energy is released when 2.00 mol of NaOH is formed in the reaction?
2Na2O2(s) + 2H2O(l) → 4NaOH(s) + O2(g)

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The Attempt at a Solution


1) I know the answer is -638 kJ but I don't know how you can get that answer. I know why it's negative because heat is produced. I think that you first find the molar mass by dividing 1.47g by 32(the molar mass of methanol) and then multiplying that by 29.3, but the units don't make sense. Thanks for any help.

2)I know how to get the answer, but can anyone explain how and why the answer is the answer? Multiply 2 mol NaOH by -(-126kJ/4mol NaOh) to get the answer.
 
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physicsman2 said:
I think that you first find the molar mass by dividing 1.47g by 32(the molar mass of methanol) and then multiplying that by 29.3, but the units don't make sense.

Find the molar mass by dividing sample mass by molar mass? Show what you are doing and what units you are getting.

I know how to get the answer, but can anyone explain how and why the answer is the answer? Multiply 2 mol NaOH by -(-126kJ/4mol NaOh) to get the answer.

That's not correct. Once again, show what units you get.

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1)1.47g methanol x 1 mol/32g methanol x 29.3 kJ/1 mol, is this how to do this

2)2 mol NaOH x -(-126kJ/4 mol NaOH) <--- 4 mol from reaction
 
physicsman2 said:
1)1.47g methanol x 1 mol/32g methanol x 29.3 kJ/1 mol, is this how to do this

I hate to repeat questions, but let's try again. What units did you get?

2)2 mol NaOH x -(-126kJ/4 mol NaOH) <--- 4 mol from reaction

Sorry, I have missed 4 mol NaOH in your previus post. That's OK. Just multiply and cancel.

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1) sorry i thought you wanted me to do the problem. The way i did it I get kJ but that's only because i had 29.3kJ/1 mol. I have no idea why it would be 1 mol if it's supposed to be there.

2) could you explain that's the way to do the problem. I know how to do it but i have no idea why?

Thanks a lot
 
physicsman2 said:
1) sorry i thought you wanted me to do the problem. The way i did it I get kJ but that's only because i had 29.3kJ/1 mol. I have no idea why it would be 1 mol if it's supposed to be there.

kJ is wrong. You need to express the result in kJ/1 mole of methanol.

2) could you explain that's the way to do the problem. I know how to do it but i have no idea why?

Just watch your units. You know there are 126kJ/4mol NaOH (let's ignore sign for clarity). You know you have 2 moles of NaOH. When you multiply you get

2 [moles\ of\ NaOH] \frac {126 [kJ]} {4 [moles\ of\ NaOH]}

Moles of NaOH cancel out and you are left with

2 \frac {126 [kJ]} 4 = 63 kJ

Units are OK, so the result must be OK.

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i'm fine on the second one, just that the negative goes away because energy is released right?

on the first one, the reason I ask about the units because the choices given were all in kJ, which is why I was confused on it, the answer was -638 kJ
 
physicsman2 said:
i'm fine on the second one, just that the negative goes away because energy is released right?

Yes.

on the first one, the reason I ask about the units because the choices given were all in kJ, which is why I was confused on it, the answer was -638 kJ

So the answers are not entirely correct, or what they mean is -638 kJ per "reaction as written" - but in this case that's the same as "per mole of methanol".

Note, that in the second reaction amount of heat is reported per 4 moles of NaOH - or per mole of O2, but it can be also per 2 moles of Na2O2 or 2 moles of water - this is all in one reaction. Sometimes it is important how the reaction is written:

Na2O2 + H2O -> 2NaOH + 1/2O2

would be correct, with ΔH° of -63 kJ. So the first reaction starts with one mole of methanol, and amount of heat evolved is per mole of methanol.

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thanks so much for all your help
 

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