Solve Coupled Oscillator Problem from Goldstein's Classical Mechanics

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The discussion revolves around solving a coupled oscillator problem from Goldstein's Classical Mechanics, where the original hint for the problem was missing. The user outlines their approach, including defining displacements for particles, formulating kinetic and potential energy expressions, and applying symmetry in the normal coordinates. They express uncertainty about their matrix formulation of the potential energy and the omission of the 1/2 factor in both the potential and kinetic energy matrices. After reevaluating the problem, they discover a block diagonal matrix structure and identify one frequency as zero, but they still seek confirmation on their solution's correctness. Overall, the user is looking for guidance on their methodology and results.
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Hey,

I've been trying to solve this question from Goldstein's Classical Mechanics.

The picture I have of the question is from a later edition and the hint was removed from the question, the hint was let
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η1=\frac{ζ_{1}+ζ_{5}}{\sqrt{2}}

η5=\frac{ζ_{1}-ζ_{5}}{\sqrt{2}}

What I have done is first let each particle be represented by a displacement x1...x5,

Then wrote out T = 1/2m(x^{2}_{1}+x^{2}_{3}+x^{2}_{5}) + 1/2M(x^{2}_{2}+x^{2}_{4})

and V = k/2 *( x_{i}-x_{j}-b ) i = 2..5, j = 1..4 i≠j

so V = k/2 *( x_{2}-x_{1}-b ) + k/2(...) up to i = 5 j = 4

then Since η = x - dx the system is at equilibrium when

b = dx2 - dx1 = dx3 - dx2 = ... up to i = 5 j = 4then V = 1/2k (η2 - η1) + ... up to i = 5 j = 4

Then I subbed in the hints it provided and also as one of the hints says treat the normal co-ords of 2 and 4 as symetric I let η22=-η4

Some stuff canceled and I ended up with

V = k/2 *( ζ^{2}_{1}+ζ^{2}_{2}+ζ^{2}_{5}-2\sqrt{2}ζ_{2}ζ_{5} )

I turned it into a matrix which was (this is where I start stuffing up I think)

...1...0...0 (sorry had to use the ... to make the matrix look kind of like a matrix)
V = k/2...0...4...sqrt2
...0..-sqrt2..1

Then since there were only varibles of 1, 2 and 5 I turned T into

.....m 0 0
T = 1/2...0 M 0
.....0 0 m

Then did the usual thing for eigenvalues |V-ω2T|=0

One was pretty ugly, one was sqrt(k/m), and the last one I had trouble finding because it was a mess of a cubic.

I decided to put the question at the bottom so the add didn't squish it,

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7747/asdasddh.jpg

Is what I did alright? The part I'm not confident about at all is when i turn V into a matrix, and the book they also drop the 1/2 for both V and T which I didn't really understand why.

Thanks in advanced for any help.
 
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So one problem was that symetric meant n2=n4, so i did it again,
its a 5 variable quadratic form so its a 5x5 not a 3x3,
I got a block diagnal matrix with a 3x3 as the first and a 2x2 as the second, the 2x2 had determinant kmw^2, so that shows one of the frequencies is 0,

but yea I am still not sure if that's right,

Anyone have any ideas?
 
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