Solve Normal & Tangentiel Co-ordinate System Finding Component of Acceleration

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The problem involves a box sliding down a parabolic slope defined by the equation y = 0.05x^2 m. The original poster seeks to determine the y components of velocity and acceleration given specific values for the x components at a certain position along the slope.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find the y component of velocity through differentiation of the slope and expresses uncertainty regarding the calculation of the y component of acceleration. They explore the idea of using dynamics and consider the relationship between the components of acceleration but express confusion about the tangential component.
  • Some participants suggest using the chain rule for acceleration and discuss the relationship between the acceleration vector and the second derivative of the curve, indicating that the direction of acceleration follows the curve's slope.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing insights into the use of calculus and the relationship between velocity and acceleration on a curved path. There is a suggestion of a method involving the chain rule, and some clarification on the nature of the acceleration vector is offered, but no consensus or final solution has been reached.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes a lack of information regarding how the velocity is changing, which complicates the determination of the tangential component of acceleration. There is also an indication that the problem is framed within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the exploration of certain concepts.

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Homework Statement


The box slides down the slope described by the equation y = 0.05x^2 m , where x is in meters. If the box has components of velocity and acceleration of vx = 3 m/s and ax = -1.5 m/s^2 at x = 5 m determine the y component of the velocity and acceleration



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The answers to the question were 3 m/s and 0.15 m/s^2 respectively. Getting the velocity was easy enough but I'm not sure how to get acceleration. I'm hoping some of you may be able to help.



The Attempt at a Solution


Getting velocity was simply done by taking the derivative of the slope (dy/dx = 0.1x). At x = 5 the slope is 0.5 so the y component of velocity is equal to vy = vx * 0.5 = 1.5 m/s

In terms of getting acceleration there are two components one parallel to the motion and one perpendicular. There is no indication of how the velocity is changing so I know of no of getting the tangential component.

My first attempt was find an acceleration vector such that is perpendicular to the motion (that is wrong because the path is a parabola). My second attempt was to use dynamics at that particular point to determine the y component of acceleration (assuming that gravity had something to do with it). Again, my answer was wrong.

I would be grateful for an explanation as to how to get to the answer 0.15 m/s^2 for the y-component of acceleration.
 
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u need the chain rule for the acceleration.

ay=vy'=d/dt(0.05*2x* x')

= d/dt( 0.1 x * x')
= 0.1( x' x' + x x'')
=0.1(3*3+5(-1.5))
=0.15
 


The direction of the acceleration vector is going to follow that of the second derivative of the curve (i.e., the slope of the slope). That this is so should be clear by the fact that as the box moves the velocity vector must parallel the slope of the curve, and the curve's slope changes according to how dy/dx changes. Thus the velocity vector changes direction according to the curve d2y/dx2.
 


Thanks Dragon.ENGin & gneill!
 

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