Solve Spring Mass Change Problem: Find Distance for 4kg Mass

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The discussion centers on a physics problem involving a spring and two different masses. A 3.0kg mass stretches the spring 12 cm, and when replaced by a 4.0kg mass, the participant calculates the distance it should fall but arrives at an incorrect answer. The key insight provided is that the problem requires using conservation of energy rather than just finding the new equilibrium position. The correct approach involves equating gravitational potential energy to spring potential energy to determine how far the 4.0kg mass will fall before reversing direction. The participant acknowledges the oversight and expresses gratitude for the clarification.
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I feel like I must be missing something here. I think I'm following the right steps, yet my answer doesn't match one of the choices.

Homework Statement



A Mass of 3.0kg is hung from a spring, causing it to stretch 12 cm at equilibrium. The 3.0kg mass is then replaced by a 4.0kg mass and the new block is released from the unstretched position. How far will the 4.0kg mass block fall before its direction is reversed?

a) 9 cm
b) 18 cm
c) 24 cm
d) 32 cm
e) 48 cm

Homework Equations


Spring Constant-
k= F/x

The Attempt at a Solution


First, I found the force of the 3kg block.
F= 3 * 9.8 = 29.4N
Next, I found the spring constant K
K= F/x[distance] = 29.4/.12m= 245

I Worked backwards to find the distance traveled by the 4kg block, like this.
K=F/x
245= (4*9.8)/x
x=.16m = 16 cm
Which is not one of the options. Where have I gone wrong?

Thanks for any help, it is much appreciated.
 
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When you replace the weight and release it, the potential energy of the weight, will become kinetic energy and will also start adding potential energy into the spring. The maximum distance it falls will be when all the gravitational energy becomes potential energy in the spring and kinetic energy becomes momentarily 0.

m*g*h = 1/2*k*h2
 
Jamboree said:
I feel like I must be missing something here. I think I'm following the right steps, yet my answer doesn't match one of the choices.

Homework Statement



A Mass of 3.0kg is hung from a spring, causing it to stretch 12 cm at equilibrium. The 3.0kg mass is then replaced by a 4.0kg mass and the new block is released from the unstretched position. How far will the 4.0kg mass block fall before its direction is reversed?

a) 9 cm
b) 18 cm
c) 24 cm
d) 32 cm
e) 48 cm

Homework Equations


Spring Constant-
k= F/x

The Attempt at a Solution


First, I found the force of the 3kg block.
F= 3 * 9.8 = 29.4N
Next, I found the spring constant K
K= F/x[distance] = 29.4/.12m= 245

I Worked backwards to find the distance traveled by the 4kg block, like this.
K=F/x
245= (4*9.8)/x
x=.16m = 16 cm
Which is not one of the options. Where have I gone wrong?

Thanks for any help, it is much appreciated.


You are finding the new equilibrium position when the 4 kg is attached.
But they ask what happens when the 4kg is dropped. Then the srping will stretch way beyond the new equilibrium position. What you must use is conservation of energy in the form mgh = 1/2kx^2
 
Wow, I'm amazed I managed to completely ignore that. It always seems so obvious in retrospect...I'm going to go ahead and blame the late hour and lack of sleep.

Thank you both for the help, I've got it now.
 
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