Solving Carnot Heat Engine: Tf = SQRT(TcTh)

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The discussion revolves around deriving the final temperature of two equal mass heat reservoirs in a heat pump scenario, expressed as Tf = SQRT(TcTh). Participants explore the relationship between work output and heat transfer, using the efficiency equation Wout/Win = 1 - (Qin/Qout). One user expresses confusion about maximizing work and the implications of assuming no work input, leading to a division by zero. Another suggests differentiating the relevant equations to find maximum or minimum values, emphasizing that only one differentiation is necessary. The conversation highlights the challenge of applying calculus to solve the problem effectively.
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Homework Statement


A heat pump takes heat from a hot resevoir and dissipates heat to a cold one. Both resevoirs are equal mass and specific heat capacity. Show that as the heat engine does maximal work the final temp of the resevoirs = Tf = SQRT(TcTh)


Homework Equations


Qin = Wout + Qout
mc(Th-Tf) = Wout + mc(Tf -Tc)

Efficiency = Wout/Win = 1- (Qin/Qout)


The Attempt at a Solution


Well I know i somehow need to get TcTh^2 in order to get the solution so I used efficiecy as 1 for maximal work out but I also assumed no work in which means I'm dividing by 0! Or if I say 1= 1-Qin/Qout then Qout = 1-Qin and now I am just confused. Help please :)
 
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Remember from calculus how to find the maximum (or minimim) of a function?
 
hotvette said:
Remember from calculus how to find the maximum (or minimim) of a function?

Are you meaning differentiate and set to 0 and then solve? Differentiate again and is D^2f(x)/Dx^2 < 0 then it's a maximum?
 
Carlo09 said:
Are you meaning differentiate and set to 0 and then solve?

Yep, but you should only have to differentiate once. It should be pretty clear whether you have a max or min.
 
hotvette said:
Yep, but you should only have to differentiate once. It should be pretty clear whether you have a max or min.

Thank you, Which equation do I differentiate?
 
Carlo09 said:
Thank you, Which equation do I differentiate?

Ooo right ok so I have dw/dQ_h = (T1-T2)/T1 = 0

therefore T1-T2 = 0 so T1=T2=T and so

dw/dQ_h = (T-T)/T which is 0 which doesn't help me :S
 
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