Solving Charge Across Plates of a Capacitor w/ Negative Ions

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The discussion centers on the behavior of charge across capacitor plates when a material containing negative ions is placed between them. It raises questions about whether the charge stored would resemble that of a typical capacitor with a dielectric constant. The confusion arises from the electric field interactions between the positive charges on the plates and the negative ions, leading to potential unequal charge distributions. Calculations using Gauss's Law suggest that the charge on the plates would be affected by the presence of the negative ions, indicating a different scenario than a standard capacitor. Ultimately, the presence of negative ions complicates the expected charge dynamics across the plates.
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Homework Statement


I have a material placed between parallel plates depleted of free electrons and contain negative ions. What would happen to the charge stored across the plates? Would it still be similar to placing a capacitor with a di-electric constant between them?

Homework Equations


Q=CV

The Attempt at a Solution


I am confused here because if I look at it in terms of E field, then the E field due to + charge on the plate and -ve ions cancel out at the other end of the plates. This means there would be unequal positive and negative charges on the parallel plates, which I am not sure makes sense.

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Can you help me solve this question?
 

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iVenky said:
Would it still be similar to placing a capacitor with a di-electric constant between them?
It's a bit different.

iVenky said:
What would happen to the charge stored across the plates?
Try calculating yourself using two times Gauss Law for charge on two 'good' surfaces.
With my calculations, if I didn't make mistakes, I obtained:

$$Q^{(\text{plate})}=\frac{\Delta V\cdot \epsilon \cdot A}{l}-\frac{\rho_{\text{ions}}\cdot l \cdot A }{2}$$

with obvious notation.
 
Unconscious said:
It's a bit different.Try calculating yourself using two times Gauss Law for charge on two 'good' surfaces.
With my calculations, if I didn't make mistakes, I obtained:

$$Q^{(\text{plate})}=\frac{\Delta V\cdot \epsilon \cdot A}{l}-\frac{\rho_{\text{ions}}\cdot l \cdot A }{2}$$

with obvious notation.
If there is no supply (or voltage=0), you mean to say there would still be some charge on the plates (though the plates are neutral to begin with)?
 
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