Solving Submarine Problem - Alex

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The discussion centers on solving a submarine sonar problem where the user, Alex, seeks guidance on calculating the distance to a ship based on sonar ping return time. The key points include the need to account for the speed of sound in seawater, which is influenced by temperature and salinity. Alex is advised to use standard values for the speed of sound in seawater, typically around 1500 meters per second at a standard temperature, while considering that the sound travels to the target and back, effectively doubling the distance calculation. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding how environmental factors like temperature and pressure affect sound speed.

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  • Understanding of sonar technology and its applications
  • Knowledge of the speed of sound in seawater, including factors affecting it
  • Basic mathematical skills for distance calculation
  • Familiarity with the concepts of pressure and temperature in fluid dynamics
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  • Study the mathematical formulas for calculating distance based on time and speed
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Marine engineers, physicists, and students studying acoustics or underwater navigation will benefit from this discussion, particularly those interested in sonar technology and its practical applications in submarine operations.

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Hi,

I need to solve this problem but I have no idea where to start. I made a little drawing with all the informations I have but now I'm stuck. Here's the problem:

A submarine uses sonar waves, to identify other ships, by directing a highly directional acoustic pulse at a target, and computing the time duration between the transmission of the "ping", and the return of the echo. If a sub is a depth of 500m and receives a ping return in 5.6s, determine the direct distance to the ship.

I'm not looking for the answer, just a little hint of what to start with. Thanks a lot !

- alex.
 
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What's the speed of sound in water? How far must the sound have traveled in 5.6s? (Don't forget that the sound makes a round trip.)
 
Great ! Thanks. One last question, does the temperature affects anything ? Thanks !
 
Both pressure and temperature will affect the speed of sound. (But I'll bet you can ignore such complications.)
 
The problem actually include the temperature, so I guess I need to include it in my formula. I google'd for it but could only find tables. If density of water is 1, what formula should I use ?

Thanks !
 
Unless this problem is meant to exercise your detailed understanding of the speed of sound in a liquid (the speed depends on the bulk modulus and density, which in turn depend on pressure and temperature), I would just look up the speed of sound (in seawater... salinity counts!) at some standard temperature. That should be good enough.
 

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