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The discussion revolves around deriving linear relations in the context of special relativity, specifically focusing on the relationships between momentum, energy, and mass using the provided formulas. Participants are exploring how these concepts interrelate while adhering to the constraints of linearity.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to derive linear relationships between momentum and mass, energy and mass, and energy and momentum. There is uncertainty about whether certain expressions qualify as linear. Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of the term "linear" and how to manipulate the given formulas to achieve the desired relationships.

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Some participants have provided insights into the meaning of "linear" in this context and have prompted further exploration of the relationships between the quantities involved. There is an ongoing dialogue about the correct forms of the equations and the conditions under which certain relationships hold true.

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Participants note that the definitions of energy and momentum in special relativity may not align with the classical interpretations, particularly when considering the invariant rest mass. There is an acknowledgment of potential confusion regarding the derivation process and the implications of the formulas provided.

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Homework Statement
Using the special relativity formulae
p = mv / [1 - (v/c)2]
E2 = p2c2 + m2c4
derive linear relations between:
(i) momentum and mass;
(ii) energy and mass;
(iii) energy and momentum,
which involve only c, c2, β = v/c, and γ (= 1/sqrt(1 - β2))

The attempt at a solution

I am pretty sure the answer to (i) is p = γmv = γmβc, although I am unsure if this counts as a linear relation.
I suppose for (ii) I should be aiming for E = mc2, and for (iii) maybe I should be trying to get to E = pc (although I think this only applies to massless particles), but I haven't had much luck thus far.
I know these aren't really that hard, but for some reason my brain is just drawing blanks with these.

Many thanks for help and patience.
 
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I think that here "linear" means that the two variables being related are each of first-power (no squares or square roots).
So, (i) is fine.
It seems that you have three quantities: p,m,E (mutually related by the above)... and you wish to find the relations between pairs chosen from those three.
So, what would you get for (ii)?
 
robphy said:
I think that here "linear" means that the two variables being related are each of first-power (no squares or square roots).
So, (i) is fine.
It seems that you have three quantities: p,m,E (mutually related by the above)... and you wish to find the relations between pairs chosen from those three.
So, what would you get for (ii)?

Sorry, a bit confused. I am pretty sure for (ii) I am meant to get E = mc2. My main problem is getting there from the formulae the question provided. Does that make sense? ...
 
VoteSaxon said:
Sorry, a bit confused. I am pretty sure for (ii) I am meant to get E = mc2. My main problem is getting there from the formulae the question provided. Does that make sense? ...

From your given relations,
E is the relativistic energy, p is the relativistic momentum, and m is the [invariant] rest mass.
With these symbols, ##E\neq mc^2## in general.
You can see this immediately by plugging in "what you think your E should be" into "E2 = p2c2 + m2c4".
When (that is, Under what conditions) will E="what you think your E should be" be true?
 
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