Special relativity: proof of symmetry concept

[Uku]

Homework Statement

I am given a symmetric tensor A, meaning A^{\mu\nu}=A^{\nu\mu} and I am given an asymmetric tensor B, meaning B_{\mu\nu}=-B_{\nu\mu}

Now I need to show that:

A^{\mu\nu}B_{\mu\nu}=0 0)

Homework Equations

We know that an asymmetric tensor can be written as:

A^{\mu\nu}=\frac{1}{2}(T^{\mu\nu}-T^{\nu\mu}) 1)

The Attempt at a Solution

This is what I have written down from the class:

We can use 1) to write:

B_{\mu\nu}=\frac{1}{2}(B_{\mu\nu}-B_{\nu\mu})

Now we multiply this by A^{\mu\nu}:

A^{\mu\nu}B_{\mu\nu}=\frac{1}{2}(A^{\mu\nu}B_{\mu\nu}-A^{\mu\nu}B_{\nu\mu}) 2)

Here comes the point which I am confused: the lecturer has written that we can use
\mu\leftrightarrow\nu 3) to change the indexes on 2) such as:

A^{\mu\nu}B_{\mu\nu}=\frac{1}{2}(A^{\mu\nu}B_{\mu\nu}-A^{\mu\nu}B_{\mu\nu})=\frac{1}{2}A^{\mu\nu}(B_{\mu\nu}-B_{\mu\nu})=0 4)

Right, but here is the question. I know that tensor B is antisymmetric, meaning that
B_{\mu\nu}=-B_{\nu\mu}! How can I then use 3) to change the indexes? That should give me a change of signs in 4)

...=\frac{1}{2}(B_{\mu\nu}+B_{\mu\nu})\neq0

So... how is 0) properly shown? Have I missed some principle at 3)?

EDIT: Is it just that in 4) -B_{\nu\mu}=B_{\mu\nu} ? But that does not work either... because if I plug that in, then I still get B+B

 

[HallsofIvy]

Homework Statement

I am given a symmetric tensor A, meaning A^{\mu\nu}=A^{\nu\mu} and I am given an asymmetric tensor B, meaning B_{\mu\nu}=-B_{\nu\mu}

That's an "anti-symmetric" tensor. Any tensor that is not symmetric is an "asymmetric" tensor.

Now I need to show that:

A^{\mu\nu}B_{\mu\nu}=0 0)

Homework Equations

We know that an asymmetric tensor can be written as:

A^{\mu\nu}=\frac{1}{2}(T^{\mu\nu}-T^{\nu\mu}) 1)

The Attempt at a Solution

This is what I have written down from the class:

We can use 1) to write:

B_{\mu\nu}=\frac{1}{2}(B_{\mu\nu}-B_{\nu\mu})

Now we multiply this by A^{\mu\nu}:

A^{\mu\nu}B_{\mu\nu}=\frac{1}{2}(A^{\mu\nu}B_{\mu\nu}-A^{\mu\nu}B_{\nu\mu}) 2)

Here comes the point which I am confused: the lecturer has written that we can use
\mu\leftrightarrow\nu 3) to change the indexes on 2) such as:

A^{\mu\nu}B_{\mu\nu}=\frac{1}{2}(A^{\mu\nu}B_{\mu\nu}-A^{\mu\nu}B_{\mu\nu})=\frac{1}{2}A^{\mu\nu}(B_{\mu\nu}-B_{\mu\nu})=0 4)

Right, but here is the question. I know that tensor B is antisymmetric, meaning that
B_{\mu\nu}=-B_{\nu\mu}! How can I then use 3) to change the indexes? That should give me a change of signs in 4)

...=\frac{1}{2}(B_{\mu\nu}+B_{\mu\nu})\neq0

So... how is 0) properly shown? Have I missed some principle at 3)?

EDIT: Is it just that in 4) -B_{\nu\mu}=B_{\mu\nu} ? But that does not work either... because if I plug that in, then I still get B+B

Do you understand that A^{\mu\nu}B_{\mu\nu} is sum[/b}? That we are summing over \mu= 1 to 4 and \nu= 1 to 4?

 

[Uku]

Yes I do. I figure you gave me a hint there, I'll look at the problem again.