Special Relativity - time paradox question, not sure if it's right

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The problem involves two identical clocks synchronized in a lab on the equator, with one clock being carried around the equator at a constant speed. The objective is to find the time difference between the two clocks when the traveling clock returns to the lab, utilizing concepts from special relativity.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss calculating the speed of the traveling clock and the Lorentz factor using the time dilation formula. Some participants question the impact of the speed on the gamma factor, while others suggest using more precise figures for calculations.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations involved in determining the time difference. Some participants have provided alternative methods and suggestions for approximating the solution, indicating a productive exchange of ideas without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

One participant notes limitations with their calculator's precision, which affects their ability to compute the gamma factor accurately. There is also mention of deriving an approximate equation for the difference in time, referencing historical approaches to the problem.

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Homework Statement



2 identical clocks are synchronised in a lab on the equator. One clock is carried around the equator in 24 hours at a constant speed. Given that the radius of the Earth is 6.4 x 10 ^ 6 m, find the difference between the times registered by 2 clocks when the traveling clock returns to the lab.

Homework Equations



t' = t / γ

γ = 1 / (√(1 - v^2 / c^2))

The Attempt at a Solution



First I found the circumference of the Earth using c = 2 pi r
Found the circumference of the Earth to be 40212385 m.

The clock takes 24 hours to go around - 86400 seconds

so the speed the clock goes around the Earth at is distance / time = circumference / time = 465 m/s.

I used the gamma equation to find the Lorentz factor

γ = 1 / (√(1 - v^2 / c^2)) = 1.
(the v = 465 m/s was too small to impact the equation?)

So then, subbing my Lorentz factor into the time dilation formula t' = t/y
t' = t/1 = t, so there's no time difference?

That doesn't sound right at all, I've done something stupid, if anyone can correct me that would be great :)
 
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Use more figures in your gamma factor, I got Y=1.000001205095829, then used t' = t/y = 86400/1.000001205095829 = 86399.90 seconds, so the difference should be about 0.1 seconds, seems correct because Y is so close to 1.
 
daleklama said:

Homework Statement



2 identical clocks are synchronised in a lab on the equator. One clock is carried around the equator in 24 hours at a constant speed. Given that the radius of the Earth is 6.4 x 10 ^ 6 m, find the difference between the times registered by 2 clocks when the traveling clock returns to the lab.

Homework Equations



t' = t / γ

γ = 1 / (√(1 - v^2 / c^2))

The Attempt at a Solution



First I found the circumference of the Earth using c = 2 pi r
Found the circumference of the Earth to be 40212385 m.

The clock takes 24 hours to go around - 86400 seconds

so the speed the clock goes around the Earth at is distance / time = circumference / time = 465 m/s.

I used the gamma equation to find the Lorentz factor

γ = 1 / (√(1 - v^2 / c^2)) = 1.
(the v = 465 m/s was too small to impact the equation?)

So then, subbing my Lorentz factor into the time dilation formula t' = t/y
t' = t/1 = t, so there's no time difference?

That doesn't sound right at all, I've done something stupid, if anyone can correct me that would be great :)
As it's the difference between 1 and 1-v2/c2 that matters, even a small v does impact on the equation - γ is close to 1, but different from 1.

Thus, either solve as baddin suggested*, or solve as Einstein did in 1905 - he did not have a pocket calculator! Derive an approximate equation for the difference (easy math, simplify 1/√(1-x2) for x<<1). See the second half of §4 of http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/

*PS: I get a much smaller result both ways
 
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Thanks both!

My calculator doesn't show enough figures to give me a non-1 answer, so I'm going to do it the way harrylin suggested, cheers :)
 

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