Special Relativity - time paradox question, not sure if it's right

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The discussion revolves around calculating the time difference between two identical clocks, one stationary and one traveling around the equator at a speed of 465 m/s. The initial calculations suggested no time difference due to the Lorentz factor (γ) being approximately 1. However, further analysis revealed that even small velocities can affect the time dilation equation. By refining the calculations and using more significant figures, the time difference was found to be approximately 0.1 seconds. Participants emphasized the importance of accurate calculations and suggested alternative methods for deriving the time difference.
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Homework Statement



2 identical clocks are synchronised in a lab on the equator. One clock is carried around the equator in 24 hours at a constant speed. Given that the radius of the Earth is 6.4 x 10 ^ 6 m, find the difference between the times registered by 2 clocks when the traveling clock returns to the lab.

Homework Equations



t' = t / γ

γ = 1 / (√(1 - v^2 / c^2))

The Attempt at a Solution



First I found the circumference of the Earth using c = 2 pi r
Found the circumference of the Earth to be 40212385 m.

The clock takes 24 hours to go around - 86400 seconds

so the speed the clock goes around the Earth at is distance / time = circumference / time = 465 m/s.

I used the gamma equation to find the Lorentz factor

γ = 1 / (√(1 - v^2 / c^2)) = 1.
(the v = 465 m/s was too small to impact the equation?)

So then, subbing my Lorentz factor into the time dilation formula t' = t/y
t' = t/1 = t, so there's no time difference?

That doesn't sound right at all, I've done something stupid, if anyone can correct me that would be great :)
 
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Use more figures in your gamma factor, I got Y=1.000001205095829, then used t' = t/y = 86400/1.000001205095829 = 86399.90 seconds, so the difference should be about 0.1 seconds, seems correct because Y is so close to 1.
 
daleklama said:

Homework Statement



2 identical clocks are synchronised in a lab on the equator. One clock is carried around the equator in 24 hours at a constant speed. Given that the radius of the Earth is 6.4 x 10 ^ 6 m, find the difference between the times registered by 2 clocks when the traveling clock returns to the lab.

Homework Equations



t' = t / γ

γ = 1 / (√(1 - v^2 / c^2))

The Attempt at a Solution



First I found the circumference of the Earth using c = 2 pi r
Found the circumference of the Earth to be 40212385 m.

The clock takes 24 hours to go around - 86400 seconds

so the speed the clock goes around the Earth at is distance / time = circumference / time = 465 m/s.

I used the gamma equation to find the Lorentz factor

γ = 1 / (√(1 - v^2 / c^2)) = 1.
(the v = 465 m/s was too small to impact the equation?)

So then, subbing my Lorentz factor into the time dilation formula t' = t/y
t' = t/1 = t, so there's no time difference?

That doesn't sound right at all, I've done something stupid, if anyone can correct me that would be great :)
As it's the difference between 1 and 1-v2/c2 that matters, even a small v does impact on the equation - γ is close to 1, but different from 1.

Thus, either solve as baddin suggested*, or solve as Einstein did in 1905 - he did not have a pocket calculator! Derive an approximate equation for the difference (easy math, simplify 1/√(1-x2) for x<<1). See the second half of §4 of http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/

*PS: I get a much smaller result both ways
 
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Thanks both!

My calculator doesn't show enough figures to give me a non-1 answer, so I'm going to do it the way harrylin suggested, cheers :)
 
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