Speed of a bullet in ballistic spring system

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The discussion revolves around calculating the speed of a bullet in a ballistic spring system, where a bullet of mass 6.20 g is fired into a block of mass 2.10 kg, causing the block to compress a spring with a constant of 63.0 N/m. The maximum compression of the spring is 12.1 cm, and the conservation of momentum and energy equations are used to derive the bullet's speed. The participant attempts to solve for the bullet's speed but encounters an error in their calculations, specifically regarding the treatment of mass in the energy equations. Clarification is provided that the kinetic energy of the combined bullet-block system should be considered after the collision, treating them as a single unit. The final equation should reflect the total mass rather than just the bullet's mass in the energy calculations.
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Homework Statement



You have been asked to design a "ballistic spring system" to measure the speed of bullets. A bullet of mass 6.20 g is fired into a block of mass 2.10 kg. The block, with the embedded bullet, then slides across a frictionless table and collides with a horizontal spring whose spring constant is k=63.0 N/m. The opposite end of the spring is anchored to a wall. What was the speed of the bullet if the spring's maximum compression is 12.1 cm?

Homework Equations


pinitial=pfinal
E=0.5*k*x2
E= 0.5*m*v2

The Attempt at a Solution


m1= bullet and m2= block; v1= vbullet

i first solved m1v1+m2v2= mtotal*vfinal for Vfinal..so that looked like vfinal= m1*v1/mtotal

then i used the energy equations to get 0.5*k*x2= 0.5*m*v2
in v2 i substituted m1*v1/mtotal
and then tried to solve for v1 which is the speed of the bullet we are looking for ...and my hwk app. is telling me my answer is wrong...so i was wondering if i made a mistake in the workings somewhere..
 
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Your method looks fine. Provide your final equation for v in terms of m1 and m2.

Also: Check that you haven't made an arithmetic error.
 
this is how my equation looks like
(k*x2)/mbullet= (m1*v1/mtotal)2

\sqrt{}(k*x^2)/mbullet *Mtotal/mbullet = vbullet2

the square root only applies to the k*x2/mbullet

does that look right ??
 
brunettegurl said:
this is how my equation looks like
(k*x2)/mbullet= (m1*v1/mtotal)2
That should be:
(k*x2)/mtotal= (m1*v1/mtotal)2
 
i got the right answer but was wondering why it wouldn't be mass of bullet that would be divided by the energy of spring>>??
 
brunettegurl said:
i got the right answer but was wondering why it wouldn't be mass of bullet that would be divided by the energy of spring>>??
Because after the collision, the KE of the system is ½mtotalv2. The bullet and block are treated as one unit.
 
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