Stiffness factor for member in beam

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The discussion revolves around the stiffness factor (KBC) for a beam segment, with confusion about whether it should be 4EI/L or 3EI/L. Participants clarify that for a pinned or roller-supported far end, K is typically 3EI/L, but if the end is fixed, K would be 4EI/L. The distinction is made that the far end of segment BC is point D, which influences the stiffness calculation. The conversation emphasizes that a fixed end restricts rotation, thus increasing stiffness at the joints. Overall, the understanding of stiffness factors is tied to the boundary conditions of the beam's supports.
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In this question , I don't understand why the KBC is 4EI / L ...

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I was told that for the far end pinned or roller supported , the K = 3EI / L , so shouldn't the KBC = 3EI / L.. Is the author wrong ?

In the 3rd photo , we can see that for far end pinned supported , k = 3EI / L , not 4EI / L
 

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fonseh said:
for the far end pinned or roller supported , the K = 3EI / L , so shouldn't the KBC = 3EI / L.. Is the author wrong ?
BC is only a segment of the beam ABCD. The "far end" of BC from B is D.
Think about it: if D were just a pin then the beam could rotate a bit about D, allowing it equally to rotate a little about C. But with D fixed, it is much harder for there to be any rotation about C.
 
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haruspex said:
BC is only a segment of the beam ABCD. The "far end" of BC from B is D.
Think about it: if D were just a pin then the beam could rotate a bit about D, allowing it equally to rotate a little about C. But with D fixed, it is much harder for there to be any rotation about C.
So , in this problem , the far end of AB is D , as D s pinned , so the KAB is 3EI / L ? If D is fixed , then KAB would be 4EI / L ?
 

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fonseh said:
So , in this problem , the far end of AB is D , as D s pinned , so the KAB is 3EI / L ? If D is fixed , then KAB would be 4EI / L ?
That's my understanding. But please bear in mind that my entire knowledge of the subject comes from the textbook extracts you have posted.
 
haruspex said:
That's my understanding. But please bear in mind that my entire knowledge of the subject comes from the textbook extracts you have posted.
May I know which part ? Can you highlighted it ?
 
fonseh said:
May I know which part ? Can you highlighted it ?
I have not noticed an actual definition of "far end" but just thinking about how I would expect a beam to behave it is clear that if any part of a beam is unable to rotate at all it will make the beam stiffer at all joints. Hence that is how I interpret the term.
 
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