Suppose a, b, c are three real numbers such that

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem involving three real numbers a, b, and c, and their relationship within a characteristic equation related to differential equations. Participants are exploring the implications of these variables in the context of solving for roots of the equation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss substituting expressions into the characteristic equation and calculating derivatives of proposed solutions. There are attempts to manipulate the equation to isolate variables and solve for r, with some questioning the sufficiency of the information provided.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants sharing different approaches to solving for r and discussing the implications of the relationships between a, b, and c. Some guidance has been offered regarding the structure of the equations, but there is no explicit consensus on the next steps or the completeness of the information available.

Contextual Notes

There are mentions of unknowns and the need for additional equations to fully resolve the problem, indicating that the discussion is constrained by the information provided in the problem statement.

nysnacc
Messages
184
Reaction score
3

Homework Statement


upload_2016-10-17_22-28-10.png


Homework Equations


character equation

The Attempt at a Solution


Should I set a = ax2 b= bx c =c in the character equation?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Hi, you must start to substitute ##y_{1}(x)=x^{r_{1}}## in the differential equation and find ##r_{1}## that satisfy the equation ...,
so start to calculate ##y'_{1}(x)## and ##y_{1}''(x)## ...

The same for ##y_{2}(x)=x^{r_{2}}\ln{x}## ...
 
y1 = xr1
y1' = r1* xr1-1
y1" = r1 (r1-1)* xr1-2 = ( r12 - r1) *xr1-2

then plug in ODE?
 
Then (I simply say r instead of r1)
a(r2-r)xr +b r xr + cxr

xr ( a(r2-r) + b r +c )
And solve for r ?
 
nysnacc said:
Then (I simply say r instead of r1)
a(r2-r)xr +b r xr + cxr

xr ( a(r2-r) + b r +c )
And solve for r ?
You can't solve the above, because they aren't equations!
The equation you need to solve is a(r2-r)xr +b r xr + cxr = 0,
which is equivalent to xr ( a(r2-r) + b r +c ) = 0
Now solve for r.
 
Oh yeah! but I don't know a, b and c... there are four unknowns then
 
nysnacc said:
Oh yeah! but I don't know a, b and c... there are four unknowns then
But you have a relationship involving a, b, and c given in your problem statement.
 
So I solve for r which is r = ... (in terms of a, b, c) probably be -b +/- sqrt (b^2 - 4 ac) / 2a

Then use the relationship involving a, b, and c given in problem statement?

But do I need one more equation?
 
For r1, it is -B/2A which is -(b-a)/2a
Do I end up wth the letter as coefficient, or any further?
 
  • #10
nysnacc said:
So I solve for r which is r = ... (in terms of a, b, c) probably be -b +/- sqrt (b^2 - 4 ac) / 2a
No it isn't.

Start from this:
xr ( a(r2-r) + b r +c ) = 0
The part on the left has to be identically equal to zero; i.e., for all values of x.

So either xr = 0 (can't be true)
or a(r2-r) + b r +c = 0
Solve this equation for r.
nysnacc said:
Then use the relationship involving a, b, and c given in problem statement?

But do I need one more equation?
 
  • #11
nysnacc said:
For r1, it is -B/2A which is -(b-a)/2a
Do I end up wth the letter as coefficient, or any further?
Yes, this is what I get: r = -(b - a)/(2a), which is the same as (a - b)/(2a)
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: nysnacc and Ssnow
  • #12
Great, so this is it, for r1 ?? :)
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Ssnow
  • #13
nysnacc said:
Great, so this is it, for r1 ?? :)
Yes.
 
  • #14
For r2,
I have y2 = xr2 ln (x)
y2' = xr2-1 +r2 xr2-1 ln (x)
y2" = (r2-1)xr2-2 +r2 xr2-2 + (r2^2-r2)xr2-2 ln(x)

Which then plug into the ODE, i found r2 = -(b-a)/ 2a same as r1

and whole ODE can be 0 if x =1
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K