Undergrad Surface roughness and Magnus force of a cylinder

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The discussion centers on the relationship between surface roughness and the Magnus force acting on a rotating cylinder. The Magnus force is defined by the equation $$L = \rho_\infty V_\infty \Gamma$$, where $$\Gamma$$ represents vortex strength. While surface roughness does not influence the Magnus effect directly, it significantly affects the drag coefficient and boundary-layer transition, impacting lift. For a comprehensive understanding, refer to Anderson's "Fundamentals of Aerodynamics, Sixth Edition" and the Kutta-Joukowsky theorem.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of the Magnus effect and its mathematical representation
  • Familiarity with fluid dynamics concepts, particularly boundary-layer theory
  • Knowledge of drag coefficients and their implications in aerodynamics
  • Basic grasp of the Kutta-Joukowsky theorem
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  • Study the Kutta-Joukowsky theorem in detail for insights on lift generation
  • Research the effects of surface roughness on drag coefficients in turbulent flow
  • Explore boundary-layer transition concepts and their impact on aerodynamic performance
  • Investigate inviscid versus viscous flow theories in fluid dynamics
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I know that the surface roughness plays an role in the Magnus force exerted of a rotating cylinder. But, i cannot find an equation that includes the surface roughness in the equation of the Magnus force. If someone could state the formula (and preferably a source to read up more on it) it would be very helpful.
 
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$$L = \rho_\infty V_\infty \Gamma$$
Where ##\rho_\infty## and ##V_\infty## are the freestream density and velocity, respectively, and ##\Gamma## is the vortex strength over the cylinder: $$\Gamma = -\oint_C \textbf{V} \cdot \textbf{ds}$$See Anderson, Fundamentals of Aerodynamics, Sixth Edition, p. 269. Surface roughness does not have any influence on the Magnus effect.
Now, surface roughness does affect the drag coefficient; turbulent flow separates from a surface later compared to laminar flow, which is aerodynamically more desirable than a laminar boundary layer that separates more quickly.
For further reading, read up on the Kutta-Joukowsky theorem.
 
Surface roughness absolutely does affect the lift due to the Magnus effect. It affects boundary-layer transition which affects separation location which affects lift. There isn't a simple equation to take that into account, though. I'm afraid you're out of luck there.
 
Boneh3ad is correct. The explanation I gave is actually only applicable for inviscid, incompressible flows, a fact that I overlooked when replying. When viscous effects are accounted for, surface roughness does indeed have an effect.
 
I do not have a good working knowledge of physics yet. I tried to piece this together but after researching this, I couldn’t figure out the correct laws of physics to combine to develop a formula to answer this question. Ex. 1 - A moving object impacts a static object at a constant velocity. Ex. 2 - A moving object impacts a static object at the same velocity but is accelerating at the moment of impact. Assuming the mass of the objects is the same and the velocity at the moment of impact...

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