Symmetric rank-2 tensor, relabelling of indices? (4-vectors)

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The discussion revolves around the concept of symmetric rank-2 tensors and the relabelling of indices in the context of 4-vector notation. Participants are examining the implications of using dummy indices and the summation convention.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the validity of relabelling indices in a specific equation and questions the independence of dummy indices. Some participants suggest writing out the sums to illustrate their equivalence, while others confirm that the choice of dummy indices is flexible as long as they are not repeated.

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The discussion is progressing with participants exploring the concept of dummy indices and their implications. Some guidance has been provided regarding the summation convention and the nature of symmetric tensors, but no consensus has been reached on all aspects of the original poster's confusion.

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There is an emphasis on understanding the rules surrounding dummy indices and the summation convention, which may not be fully clear to all participants. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the independence of indices in their specific context.

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Relabelling of indeces, 4-vector notation

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The forth line where I've circled one of the components in red, I am unsure why you can simply let ν=μ and μ=v for the second part of the line only then relate it to the first part and add them. If you are chosing "dummy indices" as suggested in the image then wouldn't they have to be independent of the first parts indices?

I'm unsure of what is going on here, any ideas would be really helpful, thanks.
 
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You are familiar with the summation convention, correct. Just write out the sums both ways, and you will see that they are identical.

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
You are familiar with the summation convention, correct. Just write out the sums both ways, and you will see that they are identical.

Chet

hmm, i think I see what you are getting at, it's because it is symmetric.

when you say write out the sums you are saying if i write out the summation over v=0,1,2,3 and μ=0,1,2,3?

thanks for the reply
 
Yes. With repeated dumny indices, it doesn't matter which letter of the alphabet you use, as long as it's not the same letter as another repeated index.

Chet
 
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Chestermiller said:
Yes. With repeated dumny indices, it doesn't matter which letter of the alphabet you use, as long as it's not the same letter as another repeated index.

Chet

Yes, I got them to equal, that's very helpful, thank you!
 

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