Systems Modelling Question - Sinusoidal inputs (Important)

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The discussion revolves around understanding the steady-state response of a system to sinusoidal inputs within the context of systems modeling and control theory. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the substitution of the complex variable "s" in the transfer function and its implications for analyzing sinusoidal inputs.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the rationale behind substituting "s" with "jω" instead of the full complex number "a + jω" in the transfer function. There are inquiries about how this substitution relates to determining the steady-state response and the significance of the magnitude and phase of the transfer function.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the relationship between the transfer function and the steady-state response. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of "jω" for analyzing sinusoidal inputs, but there remains uncertainty about the definitions and implications of steady-state versus transient responses.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference course materials and notes from their lecturer, indicating a focus on steady-state solutions over transient responses. There is also a mention of external resources, such as the final value theorem, suggesting that some participants are looking for broader context or definitions related to the topic.

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Hi,
When finding the steady-state response to a sinusoidal input, since "s" is a complex number, (a + jw), why do we substitute "s" with only the imaginary part (jw) in the transfer function, G(s) , to get G(jw), rather than substituting the whole complex number to get G(a + jw) ?
Also, how does finding G(s) help us to get the steady-state part of the response anyway?
Quite confused, please please please help!

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If you know the Laplace transform of a model, and you want to find its response to some sine-function, you should give the model an input, something like:

Inp(s) = 1 / ( s2 + a2 ) , which is the Laplace transform of

Inp(t) = sin(at) / a.

I think that jω as input is used to determine amplification and phase ( Bode plot ) as a function of ω.
 
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@Hesch , okay, so after finding G(jω), knowing the amplitude and phase will help us get the steady-state part of the response?
Also, I still don't get why, in G(s), we substituted "s" with just "jω" only while "s" actually equals "a+jω" and not just "jω".
 
Finding the complete response (steady-state and transient) is a long and laborious task. My lecturer's notes read (since at our stage of the course, we're mostly interested in the steady-state part of the solution and not so much the transient) :

"The simple method for finding the steady-state part of the response to a sinusoidal input is simply to use the imaginary part of "s", substituting "jω" in place of "s" in the transfer function".

Then he goes on to show how to get the magnitude of the transfer function, G(s) / G(jω), and then on to get the phase.

Please explain what the magnitude of the transfer function has to do with the steady-state part of the solution, yss(t)?
 

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