Testing Equivalence Principle: Prying Gravity From Inertia

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Equivalence Principle (EP) in physics, particularly its validity and implications in the context of quantum gravity. Participants explore the experimental verification of the EP and the challenges posed by recent articles questioning its universality.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses surprise at the suggestion that the EP might only be approximately true and that any theory of quantum gravity could violate it at some level.
  • Another participant cites the experimental verification of the equivalence of inertial and gravitational mass to a high precision, referencing the Eötvös experiment and related studies.
  • Concerns are raised about the reliability of popular science articles as sources for understanding complex scientific concepts, emphasizing the lack of links to peer-reviewed papers in the articles discussed.
  • A participant shares a paper they found related to the topic, expressing uncertainty about its scientific validity but noting its mathematical content.
  • Another participant critiques the lack of peer-reviewed publication and citation of the works by Lebed challenging the EP, suggesting that it may be premature to consider them significant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the Equivalence Principle or the significance of the recent challenges to it. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of experimental results and the reliability of sources.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the reliance on popular science articles that do not provide direct access to peer-reviewed research, as well as the uncertainty surrounding the significance of the papers mentioned by participants.

Celeritas02
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Hi,

So I came across this article on the internet, and it was about the Equivalence Principle. So I were interested and read it all, and in the article it said that the EP might be only approximately true. What interested me more about the article was it said that any theory of quantum gravity must violate the equivalence principle at some level. Before reading this article I always thought that the EP was established physics, I mean I thought it was experimentally proven...

I'm just a layman who is greatly interested in development in theoretical physics, so I'd be grateful if you could try to reply in less technical terms. Also forgive me for my poor English, I tried to do my best :)

Here's the link to the articles I read:
1. http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnfar...s-seek-a-divorce-prying-gravity-from-inertia/
2. http://www.wildcat.arizona.edu/arti...lenges-einsteins-theory-of-general-relativity
 
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Celeritas02 said:
I thought it was experimentally proven...

The equivalence of inertial and gravitational mass has been experimentally verified to 1 part in 100 billion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eötvös_experiment

(See under "Related Studies", the experiment run by Roll, Krotkov, and Dicke.)

Celeritas02 said:

Unfortunately, neither of these articles links to an actual scientific paper, so it's hard to say much that's useful. Pop science articles are not good sources if you actually want to understand the science.
 
PeterDonis said:
The equivalence of inertial and gravitational mass has been experimentally verified to 1 part in 100 billion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eötvös_experiment

(See under "Related Studies", the experiment run by Roll, Krotkov, and Dicke.)
Unfortunately, neither of these articles links to an actual scientific paper, so it's hard to say much that's useful. Pop science articles are not good sources if you actually want to understand the science.

Thank you so much for your reply and enlightening me up on the topic :) I searched for the paper by the professor at the university and I found this, I'm not sure if its what a scientific paper per se, but it does have maths so I thought you might want to take a look. I'm sorry if its just nonsense, I'm really sorry.

http://ptep-online.com/index_files/2012/PP-31-08.PDF
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1208.5756v1.pdf
 
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I note that none of the 3 arxiv entries on this topic by Lebed are published in peer reviewed journals; none are cited by anyone else. It is conceivable that something will come of this, but it is premature to grant any significance to it. Of note is that many papers of Lebed on condensed matter physics are published in major journals, but not any of these papers challenging the EP. (Note: "Progress in Physics" is not listed as a citable journal in Thomson Reuters).
 
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